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[rams1102]

Oh I don't know, umm perhaps ESPN inviting Pat Coleman on their selection show to be viewed by everyone in the Country every year may help in my thought process...

Is Pat Coleman on the selection committee?

Nope.

Is the D3fb.com poll listed as a criteria used in the selection process?

Nope.

Are you just having a serious case of sour grapes and looking for anything to cry about?

Yep.

What bothers me about Montclair going from 14 to 27 is that this will prey on the minds of the NCAA selection committee for a Pool C if we win out.

[theoriginalupstate]

Oh I don't know, umm perhaps ESPN inviting Pat Coleman on their selection show to be viewed by everyone in the Country every year may help in my thought process...

Is Pat Coleman on the selection committee?

Nope.

Is the D3fb.com poll listed as a criteria used in the selection process?

Nope.

Are you just having a serious case of sour grapes and looking for anything to cry about?

Yep.

What bothers me about Montclair going from 14 to 27 is that this will prey on the minds of the NCAA selection committee for a Pool C if we win out.

It's not that way and it's never been that way...

It looks as there are going to be some one loss teams left out this year...

It happens...

[SJFF82]

Oh I don't know, umm perhaps ESPN inviting Pat Coleman on their selection show to be viewed by everyone in the Country every year may help in my thought process...

Is Pat Coleman on the selection committee?

Nope.

Is the D3fb.com poll listed as a criteria used in the selection process?

Nope.

Are you just having a serious case of sour grapes and looking for anything to cry about?

Yep.

What bothers me about Montclair going from 14 to 27 is that this will prey on the minds of the NCAA selection committee for a Pool C if we win out.

my thoughts exactly...d3.com poll is not just some fly-by-night, inconsequential poll.  Right Pat?  

Of course this poll matters...and kudos to Pat, et al for making it matter, with this site and all that it has done to put d3 football on the map.

So yes, when there are only 7 at large bids in this unscrutinized business of d3 football, where the coverage is very regional, the poll and its perceptions it puts out there do matter.

[rams1102]

Oh I don't know, umm perhaps ESPN inviting Pat Coleman on their selection show to be viewed by everyone in the Country every year may help in my thought process...

Is Pat Coleman on the selection committee?

Nope.

Is the D3fb.com poll listed as a criteria used in the selection process?

Nope.

Are you just having a serious case of sour grapes and looking for anything to cry about?

Yep.

What bothers me about Montclair going from 14 to 27 is that this will prey on the minds of the NCAA selection committee for a Pool C if we win out.

It's not that way and it's never been that way...

It looks as there are going to be some one loss teams left out this year...

It happens...

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee. The drop from 14 to 27 IMHO is wrong.

[Bombers798891]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

[SJFF82]

Oh I don't know, umm perhaps ESPN inviting Pat Coleman on their selection show to be viewed by everyone in the Country every year may help in my thought process...

Is Pat Coleman on the selection committee?

Nope.

Is the D3fb.com poll listed as a criteria used in the selection process?

Nope.

Are you just having a serious case of sour grapes and looking for anything to cry about?

Yep.

What bothers me about Montclair going from 14 to 27 is that this will prey on the minds of the NCAA selection committee for a Pool C if we win out.

It's not that way and it's never been that way...

It looks as there are going to be some one loss teams left out this year...

It happens...

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire. The drop from 14 to 27 IMHO is wrong.

its perception v. reality.  In a couple weeks, it could get worse.  When IC beats Cortland, your loss to Cort will sting again.  The prob I have with MSU dropping so far, is that when you fall far, the perception is that you lost to a bad team, yet Cortland (the 'bad' team) moved right on past a few teams and into the poll.

[Bombers798891]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

[SJFF82]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

Well I could be mistaken, and dont know where to find these facts, but I am pretty sure the so-called deserving number 1 in the MUCless North the past 3 seasons has lost to a lower seed and nver even made it to the Final Four.  In fact, in at least one season, I think the Number 1 lost to the 8 seed?

....so how deserving is this Phantom #1 that has supplanted an otherwise deserving #1 from the East?

[theoriginalupstate]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

[MSU Pride]

JT that couldn't be further from the truth and I am chosing my words wisely bc fighting behind a computer isn't really in my nature...I have said several times this was not sour grapes (it really isn't) I was at the Cortland game, I was at the Rowan game, I was at the Kean game...This an attack against the conference and region...

[Bombers798891]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

Well I could be mistaken, and dont know where to find these facts, but I am pretty sure the so-called deserving number 1 in the MUCless North the past 3 seasons has lost to a lower seed and nver even made it to the Final Four.  In fact, in at least one season, I think the Number 1 lost to the 8 seed?

....so how deserving is this Phantom #1 that has supplanted an otherwise deserving #1 from the East?

That team doesn't supplant the East team though....MUC does.

[SJFF82]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

I hear ya...but that argument does not address the fact that when MUC gets shipped East to make way for some so-called deserving #1 in the North....that team falls on its face.

it also ignores the fact that MUC blows out its Final 4 opponent in 2007-2008-2009 that wasnt an East team....and the last true East team to get a crack at MUC in the Final Four hung with them.

I get that the East could go 10-0 and end this discussion...but MUC could go D-1AA and end it also  

[Bombers798891]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

There's no room for that kind of logic. We've tried it on the E8 board and the ERPD board. What makes you think it will work here, especially with all the Cortland guys lurking   (It's a week early, but still!)

[theoriginalupstate]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

I hear ya...but that argument does not address the fact that when MUC gets shipped East to make way for some so-called deserving #1 in the North....that team falls on its face.

it also ignores the fact that MUC blows out its Final 4 opponent in 2007-2008-2009 that want an East team....and the last true East team to get a crack at MUC in the Final Four hung with them.

I get that the East could go 10-0 and end this discussion...but MUC could go D-1AA and end it also  

It's the NCAA, nothing they do makes sense...

[SJFF82]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

Well I could be mistaken, and dont know where to find these facts, but I am pretty sure the so-called deserving number 1 in the MUCless North the past 3 seasons has lost to a lower seed and nver even made it to the Final Four.  In fact, in at least one season, I think the Number 1 lost to the 8 seed?

....so how deserving is this Phantom #1 that has supplanted an otherwise deserving #1 from the East?

That team doesn't supplant the East team though....MUC does.

NO...you stated that the criteria is the 4 best get #1's...so necessarily, this phantom 4th #1 supplants The East #1...they just happen to ship MUC every year b/c of travel.