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[Bombers798891]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

I hear ya...but that argument does not address the fact that when MUC gets shipped East to make way for some so-called deserving #1 in the North....that team falls on its face.

it also ignores the fact that MUC blows out its Final 4 opponent in 2007-2008-2009 that want an East team....and the last true East team to get a crack at MUC in the Final Four hung with them.

I get that the East could go 10-0 and end this discussion...but MUC could go D-1AA and end it also  

What's that saying? "If you want something done right, do it yourself"

You want to be a #1 seed? Go 10-0. You want to make the NCAA's? Earn a Pool A bid. Other teams/regions don't seem to have an issue doing it.

[RedDragonFan]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Seeing the word "pun" I feel suddenly compelled to respectfully request that all references to "puns" whether intended or not, be saved for the Cortaca page when available and then limited to a maximum of 50 uses this year!

[SJFF82]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

There's no room for that kind of logic. We've tried it on the E8 board and the ERPD board. What makes you think it will work here, especially with all the Cortland guys lurking   (It's a week early, but still!)

i know you were kiddin...but seriously, that is not logic, its just factual.  If East goes 10-0...they are in as #1.  Logic THOUGH is that the East can never get to the Final Four and prove a damn thing for all the naysayers, when they are effectively barred from doing so...MUC

[SJFF82]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Seeing the word "pun" I feel suddenly compelled to respectfully request that all references to "puns" whether intended or not, be saved for the Cortaca page when available and then limited to a maximum of 50 uses this year!

Pun You!!!

[Bombers798891]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

Well I could be mistaken, and dont know where to find these facts, but I am pretty sure the so-called deserving number 1 in the MUCless North the past 3 seasons has lost to a lower seed and nver even made it to the Final Four.  In fact, in at least one season, I think the Number 1 lost to the 8 seed?

....so how deserving is this Phantom #1 that has supplanted an otherwise deserving #1 from the East?

That team doesn't supplant the East team though....MUC does.

NO...you stated that the criteria is the 4 best get #1's...so necessarily, this phantom 4th #1 supplants The East #1...they just happen to ship MUC every year b/c of travel.

No, because the move is not made with the #2 team in mind. I sort of misspoke. The concern isn't giving that #2 team a #1 bid by moving MUC East. (But again, that's just my interpretation of what the committee tries to do. Pat can probably explain it better)

[SJFF82]

The proponents of the current system claim that because the East is weak, the Final 4 would be watered down with them there as a representative.  

I think, from what I've gleaned, it's not so much that the Final 4 would be watered down, but that the four best teams deserve the luxury of being seeded #1 (provided it works in terms of travel)

As someone who dislikes MUC being shipped East, I can understand your frustration. However, the system is what it is. While I think it stinks that Del Valley gets the short end of the stick while, there are countless times in the last few seasons the East teams have had chances to stop MUC coming East and blown it.

Where was Fisher against Hartwick in 2007?
Where was Ithaca against Fisher in 2008? Where was Cortland against IC?
Where was Montclair's offense last week?
Where's the E8/LL been for the last five seasons?

Those four teams had great shots at a #1 if they had gone unbeaten. Fisher lost to a Hartwick team allowing 35 points a game. Ithaca lost to a four-loss Fisher team by 30 points. Cortland lost by 23 at home to an Ithaca team with a QB making his first start and a backup running back. Montclair had 7 first downs, had an XP blocked and missed a 30 yard FG as time expired. The Empire 8 and Liberty League have not had teams run the table in conference play since 2005.

The East is as much to blame as anything.

Well I could be mistaken, and dont know where to find these facts, but I am pretty sure the so-called deserving number 1 in the MUCless North the past 3 seasons has lost to a lower seed and nver even made it to the Final Four.  In fact, in at least one season, I think the Number 1 lost to the 8 seed?

....so how deserving is this Phantom #1 that has supplanted an otherwise deserving #1 from the East?

That team doesn't supplant the East team though....MUC does.

NO...you stated that the criteria is the 4 best get #1's...so necessarily, this phantom 4th #1 supplants The East #1...they just happen to ship MUC every year b/c of travel.

No, because the move is not made with the #2 team in mind. I sort of misspoke. The concern isn't giving that #2 team a #1 bid by moving MUC East. (But again, that's just my interpretation of what the committee tries to do. Pat can probably explain it better)

you didnt mis-speak...

Pat has stated in the past this theory of the 4 best getting the 4 number ones...that is the reason as I understand...yet, this reasoning is proven more incorrect than if an Eastern team were to argue that this was going to be the year it beats MUC.

[Bombers798891]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

There's no room for that kind of logic. We've tried it on the E8 board and the ERPD board. What makes you think it will work here, especially with all the Cortland guys lurking   (It's a week early, but still!)

i know you were kiddin...but seriously, that is not logic, its just factual.  If East goes 10-0...they are in as #1.  Logic THOUGH is that the East can never get to the Final Four and prove a damn thing for all the naysayers, when they are effectively barred from doing so...MUC

Ok, but here's the thing: You could guarantee an East team to the Final Four every year if the teams would stop losing to inferior opponents. We're upset about something that only comes about because our teams failed in their jobs. Go yell at Vos for the Wick game in '07. I'll go yell at Welch for the Fisher game in '08. Someone can go yell at the whole NJAC for this year.

[SJFF82]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

There's no room for that kind of logic. We've tried it on the E8 board and the ERPD board. What makes you think it will work here, especially with all the Cortland guys lurking   (It's a week early, but still!)

i know you were kiddin...but seriously, that is not logic, its just factual.  If East goes 10-0...they are in as #1.  Logic THOUGH is that the East can never get to the Final Four and prove a damn thing for all the naysayers, when they are effectively barred from doing so...MUC

Ok, but here's the thing: You could guarantee an East team to the Final Four every year if the teams would stop losing to inferior opponents. We're upset about something that only comes about because our teams failed in their jobs. Go yell at Vos for the Wick game in '07. I'll go yell at Welch for the Fisher game in '08. Someone can go yell at the whole NJAC for this year.

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

[RedDragonFan]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Seeing the word "pun" I feel suddenly compelled to respectfully request that all references to "puns" whether intended or not, be saved for the Cortaca page when available and then limited to a maximum of 50 uses this year!

Pun You!!!

Clearly "intended"

[SJFF82]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Seeing the word "pun" I feel suddenly compelled to respectfully request that all references to "puns" whether intended or not, be saved for the Cortaca page when available and then limited to a maximum of 50 uses this year!

Pun You!!!

Clearly "intended"

Yeh, otherwise it woulda looked like this...**** you.

[RedDragonFan]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Seeing the word "pun" I feel suddenly compelled to respectfully request that all references to "puns" whether intended or not, be saved for the Cortaca page when available and then limited to a maximum of 50 uses this year!

Pun You!!!

Clearly "intended"

Yeh, otherwise it woulda looked like this...**** you.

Very nice.  I got the meaning, just don't understand the attitude and why?

[theoriginalupstate]

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

If a team does, is that team honestly deserving of a #1 seed?

[SJFF82]

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

If a team does, is that team honestly deserving of a #1 seed?

No, but depends...and Wesley is not inferior to DVC.

We would have to look at who the East's #2 was in 2007-2008-2009 and break it down and then decide whether that #2 was better than the Number 1 in the North.  What I do believe,is that the North Number 1 failed to emerge each time though into the Final Four.

[SJFF82]

In my opinion...the bottom line is that you cannot claim that a team that consistently fails to emerge from MUCless North as the #1, (again 2007-2008-2009) was hands down deserving of its Number 1. 

...and I know hindsight is 20/20, but it has now happened 3 straight years, so how bout some foresight and fairness to the East as a Region.

Paladino for Governor of NY, and DVC for East #1

[Bombers798891]

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

If a team does, is that team honestly deserving of a #1 seed?

No, but depends...and Wesley is not inferior to DVC.

We would have to look at who the East's #2 was in 2007-2008-2009 and break it down and then decide whether that #2 was better than the Number 1 in the North.  What I do believe,is that the North Number 1 failed to emerge each time though into the Final Four.

Well considering that in 2008, the best non-MUC East team was an Ithaca squad that lost at home to Curry, my guess is they didn't deserve a one seed. Thanks Grastorf