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[theoriginalupstate]

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

If a team does, is that team honestly deserving of a #1 seed?

No, but depends...and Wesley is not inferior to DVC.

We would have to look at who the East's #2 was in 2007-2008-2009 and break it down and then decide whether that #2 was better than the Number 1 in the North.  What I do believe,is that the North Number 1 failed to emerge each time though into the Final Four.

I'm not refuting that point about how the North bracket does w/o MUC in it, but once again don't fault the NCAA for the lack of a dominant team in the East.

How much sense does it make to have 2-3 10-0 teams in EACH of the West and North brackets yet have 3 teams that are 9-1 as the top 3 seeds in the East?

Isn't that a smack in the face to the other regions?

[rams1102]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Yes, we have nobody to blame but ourselves, but why add fuel to the fire by dropping us down to #27. Will we look better when Cortland beats you in the Jug?

[SJFF82]

so no other team in any other region loses to inferior opponets during the reg season? 

If a team does, is that team honestly deserving of a #1 seed?

No, but depends...and Wesley is not inferior to DVC.

We would have to look at who the East's #2 was in 2007-2008-2009 and break it down and then decide whether that #2 was better than the Number 1 in the North.  What I do believe,is that the North Number 1 failed to emerge each time though into the Final Four.

I'm not refuting that point about how the North bracket does w/o MUC in it, but once again don't fault the NCAA for the lack of a dominant team in the East.

How much sense does it make to have 2-3 10-0 teams in EACH of the West and North brackets yet have 3 teams that are 9-1 as the top 3 seeds in the East?

Isn't that a smack in the face to the other regions?

1)  I am not convinced the East is so lacking a dominant team...to me its perception based upon the fact that we always get stuck playing MUC in the bracket or in the Final Four.

2)  Is there that much difference between 10-0 and 9-1?  I mean especially this year...with DVC's only loss to Wesley.

3)  The proof of how the North has fared once MUC is shipped out answers many of these ongoing issues.

4) The proof of what MUC does to any Final Four participant in 2007-2008-2009  (45-14 average score) also answers these issues for me.

....cue the peace sign....all we are saying.... is give DVC a chance.....

[Mr. Ypsi]

SJFF82, you'd better re-check your info.  Except for 2008 (when Wheaton won the North), the #1 in the 'north' was the imported UWW.  (We in the North didn't exactly get a gift, since 2007 and 2009 were the years UWW won the Stagg.  Something about 'out of the frying pan ...')

[SJFF82]

SJFF82, you'd better re-check your info.  Except for 2008 (when Wheaton won the North), the #1 in the 'north' was the imported UWW.  (We in the North didn't exactly get a gift, since 2007 and 2009 were the years UWW won the Stagg.  Something about 'out of the frying pan ...')

thanks...to be fair, I did indicate that I didnt check my info on that actual stat...but just kinda ran with it when nobody corrected me.

My original point was that MUC has dominated its Final Four opponent East or no East.

[Bombers798891]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Yes, we have nobody to blame but ourselves, but why add fuel to the fire by dropping us down to #27. Will we look better when Cortland beats you in the Jug?

Because you've got no proof that the poll = fuel. You've got your opinion, but it's all based in a supposition you can't prove. You will look better when Cortland beats us. Just like we justified the selection committee taking us instead of Menlo (AGAINST the beliefs of the d3football people BTW), by beating you in the 2001 playoffs.

If only the committee listened to Pat then like they do now, we wouldn't have sent you home in time for Thanksgiving  

[Mr. Ypsi]

SJFF82, you'd better re-check your info.  Except for 2008 (when Wheaton won the North), the #1 in the 'north' was the imported UWW.  (We in the North didn't exactly get a gift, since 2007 and 2009 were the years UWW won the Stagg.  Something about 'out of the frying pan ...')

thanks...to be fair, I did indicate that I didnt check my info on that actual stat...but just kinda ran with it when nobody corrected me.

My original point was that MUC has dominated its Final Four opponent East or no East.

You did get one part right - in 2008, Wheaton was a surprise 2-loss pool C team and was seeded #8.  They got hot and won three straight games in the state of Indiana.  We CCIW partisans lobbied for Alliance to be moved to Indiana for the semi-final match, but no dice.

[theoriginalupstate]

1)  I am not convinced the East is so lacking a dominant team...to me its perception based upon the fact that we always get stuck playing MUC in the bracket or in the Final Four.

2)  Is there that much difference between 10-0 and 9-1?  I mean especially this year...with DVC's only loss to Wesley.

3)  The proof of how the North has fared once MUC is shipped out answers many of these ongoing issues.

4) The proof of what MUC does to any Final Four participant in 2007-2008-2009  (45-14 average score) also answers these issues for me.

....cue the peace sign....all we are saying.... is give DVC a chance.....

1) That was a regional game, I applaud them for going on a limb and scheduling them, but they've got to know that it's going to hurt them if they lose.

2) Yes there is a difference between 9-1 and 10-0...a 10-0 E8/MAC/NJAC/LL team gets the #1 seed, why they can't do it is beyond me.  

3) The results of the North w/o MUC is irrelevant, if the North is so weak w/o MUC then what's the difference if there's a weak team from the North or the East?  

[Bombers798891]

2) Yes there is a difference between 9-1 and 10-0...a 10-0 E8/MAC/NJAC/LL team gets the #1 seed, why they can't do it is beyond me.  

Uh, has the North/West ever dealt with Team Boltus? Didn't think so...

[SJFF82]

1)  I am not convinced the East is so lacking a dominant team...to me its perception based upon the fact that we always get stuck playing MUC in the bracket or in the Final Four.

2)  Is there that much difference between 10-0 and 9-1?  I mean especially this year...with DVC's only loss to Wesley.

3)  The proof of how the North has fared once MUC is shipped out answers many of these ongoing issues.

4) The proof of what MUC does to any Final Four participant in 2007-2008-2009  (45-14 average score) also answers these issues for me.

....cue the peace sign....all we are saying.... is give DVC a chance.....

1) That was a regional game, I applaud them for going on a limb and scheduling them, but they've got to know that it's going to hurt them if they lose.

2) Yes there is a difference between 9-1 and 10-0...a 10-0 E8/MAC/NJAC/LL team gets the #1 seed, why they can't do it is beyond me.  

3) The results of the North w/o MUC is irrelevant, if the North is so weak w/o MUC then what's the difference if there's a weak team from the North or the East?  

As I stated earlier...I know that and get it.   That doesnt conversely mean that a 9-1 team is not deserving of a #1, when that 10-0 team is going to lose by an average of 45-14 to MUC in the Final Four anyway.  What if there are 5 10-0 teams in the Nation....are they going to make a fifth region to award that team?  There is only one way to be consistent...and that is to compete regionally untill the Final Four

Man, it aint like we are sending Hartwick or UR to the Final Four if we keep MUC in the North...We are sending the Fishers and the Del Vals, etc....and they have just as good a chance of losing 45-14 as any other final 4 participant.

[Bombers798891]

As I stated earlier...I know that and get it.   That doesnt conversely mean that a 9-1 team is not deserving of a #1, when that 10-0 team is going to lose by an average of 45-14 to MUC in the Final Four anyway.  What if there are 5 10-0 teams in the Nation....are they going to make a fifth region to award that team?  There is only one way to be consistent...and that is to compete regionally untill the Final Four

Man, it aint like we are sending Hartwick or UR to the Final Four if we keep MUC in the North...We are sending the Fishers and the Del Vals, etc....and they have just as good a chance of losing 45-14 as any other final 4 participant.

Not EVERY 9-1 team, but I don't think 2008 Ithaca was deserving after the egg they laid at Fisher. As for 2007 Fisher, well, no-one was impressed with that Wick team so yeah, I'm not going to endorse a team that can lose to a team like that Wick team.

[JT]

JT that couldn't be further from the truth and I am chosing my words wisely bc fighting behind a computer isn't really in my nature...I have said several times this was not sour grapes (it really isn't) I was at the Cortland game, I was at the Rowan game, I was at the Kean game...This an attack against the conference and region...

You were at MSU/Rowan, MSU/Kean, MSU/Cortland... Correct?

I was at Montclair/Rowan, watched Kean/Rowan, at Cortland/Rowan.  

My impression of Montclair/Rowan was that the wrong Rowan QB was in the game. I was on the sidelines and the freshman QB was missing wide open guys... short and long.  Plus, Rowan abandoned the run which was working.  I thought the oline's were even.  I thought Rowan dline was a little better.  Secondaries about even.  Montclair's Wr's were little better at the time.  RB's about even.  Rowan LB's are a little better. The MSU QB was average.  I didn't like Rowan's game plan.  I thought it put the defense in bad situations too often.  Basically, I thought the talent was about even and that Montclair had more things figured out about their team by game #2 than Rowan did.

I thought Kean was a good club and that Rowan made plays when they needed to.  Kean (5-3) could just as easily be a one loss team instead of Rowan, Cortland, and Montclair.

Cortland was very similar to Montclair IMHO... which is why I called it a Rowan/Montclair rematch.  Rowan was giving away the game in the first half, then Cortland gave it away in the second half, culminating in a late game winning Rowan drive.

In week #8 Rowan was #29, Cortland #35T, and Montclair #14.  Rowan beat Cortland by 3 in game #6.  Cortland beats Montclair last week by 1.  Rowan and Cortland logically have to be ranked above Montclair.  Then keep in mind that the NJAC isn't ranked in a vacuum, other teams are winning and losing which affect all three NJAC teams.  How many spots could Rowan and Cortland pick up from week #8?  In order to keep Montclair in the teens... Rowan up 12 to 17, Cortland up 17 to 18, Montclair down 5 to 19.  12+17-5 = 24 total spots. Not doable on any reasonable voter's ballot.   Rowan up 6 to 23, Cortland up 11 to 24, Montclair down 13 to 27.  6+11-13= 4 total spots.

I'm not saying voters work it out this way.  Basically it isn't Montclair.  Its trying to justify major moves by Rowan and Cortland to keep Montclair in the top 20.  Ain't gonna happen.

[maxpower]

82, if you think there's a dominant team in the East, who do you think it is? And please, please, please don't say who I think you will......

[JT]

Hey, if the East would have a team that runs the table it wouldn't be an issue...

There's no room for that kind of logic. We've tried it on the E8 board and the ERPD board. What makes you think it will work here, especially with all the Cortland guys lurking   (It's a week early, but still!)

i know you were kiddin...but seriously, that is not logic, its just factual.  If East goes 10-0...they are in as #1.  Logic THOUGH is that the East can never get to the Final Four and prove a damn thing for all the naysayers, when they are effectively barred from doing so...MUC

Ok, but here's the thing: You could guarantee an East team to the Final Four every year if the teams would stop losing to inferior opponents. We're upset about something that only comes about because our teams failed in their jobs. Go yell at Vos for the Wick game in '07. I'll go yell at Welch for the Fisher game in '08. Someone can go yell at the whole NJAC for this year.

This presumes that Rowan, Cortland, and Montclair are all alternately inferior to each other.  They may just be equals.

[rams1102]

I don't mind if a one loss team is out, but don't add fuel to the fire for the NCAA Committee.

Don't put it in the hands of the selection committee by missing a 30-yard FG and having an XP blocked. It's amazing that people are already blaming the possibility of Montclair missing the playoffs on a poll influencing a selection committee and not at the feet of their kicking game--pun intended--where it belongs. If Montclair misses the playoffs, it's Montclair's fault and no-one else's.

Yes, we have nobody to blame but ourselves, but why add fuel to the fire by dropping us down to #27. Will we look better when Cortland beats you in the Jug?

Because you've got no proof that the poll = fuel. You've got your opinion, but it's all based in a supposition you can't prove. You will look better when Cortland beats us. Just like we justified the selection committee taking us instead of Menlo (AGAINST the beliefs of the d3football people BTW), by beating you in the 2001 playoffs.

If only the committee listened to Pat then like they do now, we wouldn't have sent you home in time for Thanksgiving  

You Ithaca guys never give-up. On a serious note why don't we have an NJAC vs E-8 week next year or in the near future?