FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[JT]

JT, what seniors? If I'm not mistaken, the Lions will return in the neighborhood of 18 starters next year. Many Sophs starting this season.

I was thinking there would be some players playing their final game.  Haven't looked at a TCNJ 2-deep yet this year.

[Bombers798891]

Wouldn't you say a Ohio State win over Michigan is more impressive than a Cortland win over Brockport?

That is a difference between d3 and d1 though as well.  Teams like Michigan with 5 losses will have a chance against the top teams, but teams with 5 losses in d3 usually won't have a chance against the top teams. 

I guess I just mean, isn't Michigan still Michigan? Barring any crazy injury scenarios, it seems illogical to me to assign a moving value to a team throughout the season, because it penalizes certain teams and benefits others even though they play the same team

[Jonny Utah]

Wouldn't you say a Ohio State win over Michigan is more impressive than a Cortland win over Brockport?

That is a difference between d3 and d1 though as well.  Teams like Michigan with 5 losses will have a chance against the top teams, but teams with 5 losses in d3 usually won't have a chance against the top teams. 

I guess I just mean, isn't Michigan still Michigan? Barring any crazy injury scenarios, it seems illogical to me to assign a moving value to a team throughout the season, because it penalizes certain teams and benefits others even though they play the same team

Yea I agree, but my overall point was that Oklahoma has more impressive wins in d1 than Montclair has in d3.  Both teams have 1 loss, but Oklahoma is going to be ranked higher, and part of that reason is because people think Oklahoma is still a top 10 team despite having one loss, while d3 pollsters do not think Montclair is a top 25 team with one loss.  Just because you have one loss doesn't mean you always deserve a high ranking.

Then there was your other point about undefeated teams getting rewarded just because they are undefeated.  You could argue that one back and forth as well.

[phil]

JT, what seniors? If I'm not mistaken, the Lions will return in the neighborhood of 18 starters next year. Many Sophs starting this season.

I was thinking there would be some players playing their final game.  Haven't looked at a TCNJ 2-deep yet this year.

TCNJ has five seniors on the two-deep – offense, defense and special teams.

[rams1102]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

[Jonny Utah]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

[rams1102]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

[lewdogg11]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

Won't or Can't?  I don't think Mount Union runs up scores either.

[Jonny Utah]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

Come on Rams.  Montclair has had a great history, and maybe you have been on some good Montclair teams like I have been on good Ithaca teams.  If you are that good, you should be alble to blow out some teams without "running up the score."

[RedDragonFan]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

That implies that other teams do and not sure that's correct.  Does a top tier team run up the score if they put their 2's in and keep scoring?

[rams1102]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

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Come on Rams.  Montclair has had a great history, and maybe you have been on some good Montclair teams like I have been on good Ithaca teams.  If you are that good, you should be alble to blow out some teams without "running up the score."

I have been a Montclair Fan since 2001. I have never played College Football. I did play College Soccer. MSU Pride is the one to answer that point. He played on some good Montclair teams.

[JT]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.

True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

I could easily find leagues in which W. Conn, Mville would have winning records at a minimum.  Some of those leagues that have a top 20 team as their current AQ.

[Knightstalker]

I think the main point you guys are missing is that there are so many teams with 1 or 2 losses, a 13 spot drop in the rankings isn't that unusual, especially when you were raked at the bottom of the undefeated teams in the first place.

Oklahoma was #1 in the country in week 8.  They lose and drop 8 spots to #9 in week 9.  Where do you think TCU would be ranked if they lost?

Missouri loses and drops 7 spots.

Michigan State drops 9 spots (11 spots in the coaches poll)

If TCU loses to Utah 10-9, they drop to 15 or 16.  If they lose to San Diego St. 10-9, they drop out of the poll.

If Montclair lost to Western CT 10-9, it makes more sense to drop out of the poll.  But to Cortland....I think 22-23 would have been a little more realistic.
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True, but TCU is ranked #5 while Montclair was ranked #14.  That tells me pollsters were not that high on Montclair in the first place.  I also think if SJF played Montclair, SJF would win.  There were simply too many teams that had to move up from #20-#30 last week that Montclair kind of got the shaft.

Montclair has not been impressive with their wins this year.  If you want to be ranked in the top 20, you should be able to blow out some teams, especially in the bottom of the NJAC.  Montclair has not done that.

Morrisville by 36, W.Conn by 28, Buff St. by 15, TCNJ by 16, Kean by 14, Rowan by 19 and Westfield St by 34.

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Coach G does not run up scores. It has always been that way.

That implies that other teams do and not sure that's correct.  Does a top tier team run up the score if they put their 2's in and keep scoring?

I have seen MSU against some pretty bad Kean, NJCU and Willy P teams that were awful.   MSU would start running dives up the gut with the scrubs.  They wouldn't even try to keep scoring.

[Bombers798891]

I think a top 20 d3 team should have some 40 point wins.  W. Conn and Morrisville are two of the worst teams in the country and I believe the top 10 teams in the country would have beaten those teams by 60 points.

Yeah, but I mean, what's the difference between 36 and 42 points?

For example, Hardin Baylor just had their first win by more than 40 points. They kicked a FG with under 8 minutes to go to win by 42. So are you saying they were undeserving of their #6 ranking before this week?

Hardin Baylor's a good example actually. Prior to this week, the had wins by 5, 4, and 6 points, but nothing more than 21. They had to come back in the 2nd half on UW-LaCrosse, McMurray, and Louisiana College. They were still sitting in 6th.

Is Hardin-Baylor less worthy because they only beat 3-5 East Texas Baptist by six? UW-Lacrosse is going to go 3-7, and Hardin Baylor beat them by five. Should we hold that against them? Point differentials aren't always the best thing to go by when determining strength, especially on a game by game basis.

[phil]

At what point in time did the entire NJAC conference begin to be characterized as "crap"? Missed the memo.
This is what the expansion has done for the NJAC. Before the expansion TCNJ, Rowan and Montclair couldn't buy a non-conference game. The NJAC goes out and takes care of that situation and Buffalo St., Morrisville, WestConn and Brockport haven't been able to be very competitive. But now, according to our "posting elite" the NJAC's best teams can't hope to win against a top ten team? There needs to be some 40 point blowouts on the schedule? C'mon.

Good lord, the year Rowan beat MUC they lost the game and the NJAC championship to TCNJ. Thank goodness they weren't kicked out of the top 100, forced to turn in their uni's and banned from the NCAA playoffs.