FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[Bombers798891]

And do you notice anything difference between d1 football now and d1 football back in the 1980s?  Offenses have changes and are putting up record points.

And Ithaca has nothing to do with it.  In 1994, Ithaca made the final 4 with defense, not offense.  We were also one play away from going to the Stagg on a defensive play.  I don't care about Ithacas offense or defense.

For the record, that 1994 Ithaca team's largest margin of victory was 22 points, and five of their wins came by a combined 14 points...

But the two most recent IC teams to win the Stagg each had a pair of 50 point wins and the 1979 champs had a 40 point win. By this measure, I'm not entirely sure who's right, but figured I may as well toss some facts in the debate so there's no more ass-pulling-out-of opinion throwing...

[Jonny Utah]

And do you notice anything difference between d1 football now and d1 football back in the 1980s?  Offenses have changes and are putting up record points.

And Ithaca has nothing to do with it.  In 1994, Ithaca made the final 4 with defense, not offense.  We were also one play away from going to the Stagg on a defensive play.  I don't care about Ithacas offense or defense.

For the record, that 1994 Ithaca team's largest margin of victory was 22 points, and five of their wins came by a combined 14 points...

But the two most recent IC teams to win the Stagg each had a pair of 50 point wins and the 1979 champs had a 40 point win. By this measure, I'm not entirely sure who's right, but figured I may as well toss some facts in the debate so there's no more ass-pulling-out-of opinion throwing...

I only threw in the 1994 season because clandfan thought I liked Ithacas offense or somthing and I was on that team.  I was talking about the state of d3football in 2010, not 1994.  Offenses seem to me to be more important now than they were back then.

But of course you bring up a great point with Ithacas national championship years where they blew out some teams (and played some good d2 teams as well).

[clandfan]

Look at SJF....great QB and can throw the ball all over the place but without a great defense...just about everyone they play is in the game. 

Just about everyone?

And you're calling out Johnny for pulling things out of his ass.

No..I called Jonny out for magically pulling numbers out of the air.  I am the one who pulled a lame statement out of my ass.  Guilty as charged.

[catchball]

How does MSU have a "horrible" offense... details please... bc I was at the game and I would say Cortland has one hell of a defense. It was obvious what MSU was doing (which is what they always do) trying to control the line of scrimmage... they were sitting in a Mustang formation and motioning one of their tight ends to boundary running a zone/stretch...Looking for a miss match, Cortland's front was solid with their fits and # 3 on Cortland did a very good job of rolling down and playing in the box. I think the game plan was perfect for the type of game it was turning out to be which was a battle of field position. If MSU's punter did what he did all year as well as kicker, you could say at the very least MSU played a very conservative game and would have gotten out of dodge with a 12-10 Victory over a very well coached and athletic Cortland team. Which is fine by me and oh btw we drove down the field in less then a min and missed a chip shot and droped a touchdown pass earlier in the game...

Horrible offense ? not quite, horrible offensive line ? Most Definitely.!! I've been saying it for 6 years now and I really don't know the solution. How can you expect to control the ball if your line can't block for your running backs. They do at times give Fischer some room to throw but overall they are just not that good in the run game. And I don't mean the backs, I mean the O-line.   

[rams1102]

How does MSU have a "horrible" offense... details please... bc I was at the game and I would say Cortland has one hell of a defense. It was obvious what MSU was doing (which is what they always do) trying to control the line of scrimmage... they were sitting in a Mustang formation and motioning one of their tight ends to boundary running a zone/stretch...Looking for a miss match, Cortland's front was solid with their fits and # 3 on Cortland did a very good job of rolling down and playing in the box. I think the game plan was perfect for the type of game it was turning out to be which was a battle of field position. If MSU's punter did what he did all year as well as kicker, you could say at the very least MSU played a very conservative game and would have gotten out of dodge with a 12-10 Victory over a very well coached and athletic Cortland team. Which is fine by me and oh btw we drove down the field in less then a min and missed a chip shot and droped a touchdown pass earlier in the game...

Horrible offense ? not quite, horrible offensive line ? Most Definitely.!! I've been saying it for 6 years now and I really don't know the solution. How can you expect to control the ball if your line can't block for your running backs. They do at times give Fischer some room to throw but overall they are just not that good in the run game. And I don't mean the backs, I mean the O-line.   

Where have you been? This is going to be an interesting ending this year. Looks like Rowan is getting a lot of loving. We may get squeezed out.

[JT]

How does MSU have a "horrible" offense... details please... bc I was at the game and I would say Cortland has one hell of a defense. It was obvious what MSU was doing (which is what they always do) trying to control the line of scrimmage... they were sitting in a Mustang formation and motioning one of their tight ends to boundary running a zone/stretch...Looking for a miss match, Cortland's front was solid with their fits and # 3 on Cortland did a very good job of rolling down and playing in the box. I think the game plan was perfect for the type of game it was turning out to be which was a battle of field position. If MSU's punter did what he did all year as well as kicker, you could say at the very least MSU played a very conservative game and would have gotten out of dodge with a 12-10 Victory over a very well coached and athletic Cortland team. Which is fine by me and oh btw we drove down the field in less then a min and missed a chip shot and droped a touchdown pass earlier in the game...

Horrible offense ? not quite, horrible offensive line ? Most Definitely.!! I've been saying it for 6 years now and I really don't know the solution. How can you expect to control the ball if your line can't block for your running backs. They do at times give Fischer some room to throw but overall they are just not that good in the run game. And I don't mean the backs, I mean the O-line.  

Where have you been? This is going to be an interesting ending this year. Looks like Rowan is getting a lot of loving. We may get squeezed out.

Its the unis... ugly is in.  Especially since the new helmets are cool.

[rams1102]

How does MSU have a "horrible" offense... details please... bc I was at the game and I would say Cortland has one hell of a defense. It was obvious what MSU was doing (which is what they always do) trying to control the line of scrimmage... they were sitting in a Mustang formation and motioning one of their tight ends to boundary running a zone/stretch...Looking for a miss match, Cortland's front was solid with their fits and # 3 on Cortland did a very good job of rolling down and playing in the box. I think the game plan was perfect for the type of game it was turning out to be which was a battle of field position. If MSU's punter did what he did all year as well as kicker, you could say at the very least MSU played a very conservative game and would have gotten out of dodge with a 12-10 Victory over a very well coached and athletic Cortland team. Which is fine by me and oh btw we drove down the field in less then a min and missed a chip shot and droped a touchdown pass earlier in the game...

Horrible offense ? not quite, horrible offensive line ? Most Definitely.!! I've been saying it for 6 years now and I really don't know the solution. How can you expect to control the ball if your line can't block for your running backs. They do at times give Fischer some room to throw but overall they are just not that good in the run game. And I don't mean the backs, I mean the O-line.  

Where have you been? This is going to be an interesting ending this year. Looks like Rowan is getting a lot of loving. We may get squeezed out.

Its the unis... ugly is in.  Especially since the new helmets are cool.

JT, you are out of your mind , let's all win out and see what happens then.

[clandfan]

No offense JT but I'm kinda hopin for a TCNJ upset over Rowan.  Would make this a whole lot easier.

Rams, on the other hand, is hoping Willy P finds a way to beat Cortland.

You, obviously would like to see Montclair lose.

If we all win out, I am hearing that the tie breaker would go to OOWP.  Is that your understanding as well?

[JT]

No offense JT but I'm kinda hopin for a TCNJ upset over Rowan.  Would make this a whole lot easier.

Rams, on the other hand, is hoping Willy P finds a way to beat Cortland.

You, obviously would like to see Montclair lose.

If we all win out, I am hearing that the tie breaker would go to OOWP.  Is that your understanding as well?

Its cool. I was rooting for Cortland last week. I was even telling player parents how to beat Montclair in the parking lot after Cortland vs. Rowan.  I also told them I thought Cortland was better.  I didn't think it would come down to a missed FG.  I figured Cortland by 7.

I've looked at it, but I'll wait for the master D3 bracketologists like Gordon, Pat, and others to weigh in.

I didn't realize the NJAC tie breakers were that crazy.  Logically, I was thinking the team (Rowan), that beat the team (Cortland), that beat the team (Montclair) was huge... but apparently not so much.

And I always want to see Montclair lose... just going to their campus is depressing.  Except for Sam Mills every thing about Montclair is evil.

[MSU Pride]

JT your are a joke!! LOL

[MSU Pride]

Your post about the assessment of the Rowan/Montclair Game actually had me laughing out loud. "I thought the LB's for Rowan were a little better then MSU's LB's, I thought the DB's for Rowan were a little better than MSU's db's". Did you play ball? Are you a coach? So then since your so knowledgeable on the topic, please explain why, why were the linebackers better for Rowan, was it their technique, did they work down hill, stayed low to the ground, attack the line of scrimmage, read there keys properly, if they did what keys were they reading? Nearest back, were they watching the guard, did they false step? Are they good in space and can cover ground? What defense was Rowan in ¾, 4/3 3/5 stack, are they a gap controlled defense? Db's do they play 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,if so how was their  technique? Quick feet, good hips, can get out of their back pedal, break on the ball,  communicate well, pass the WR's off to the next zone, pattern read??

And I would also like to know how you gathered this from a 27-7 loss to Montclair...

[MSU Pride]

Go google defenses now and be sure to copy and paste it in your next post...

[Bombers798891]

Your post about the assessment of the Rowan/Montclair Game actually had me laughing out loud. "I thought the LB's for Rowan were a little better then MSU's LB's, I thought the DB's for Rowan were a little better than MSU's db's". Did you play ball? Are you a coach? So then since your so knowledgeable on the topic, please explain why, why were the linebackers better for Rowan, was it their technique, did they work down hill, stayed low to the ground, attack the line of scrimmage, read there keys properly, if they did what keys were they reading? Nearest back, were they watching the guard, did they false step? Are they good in space and can cover ground? What defense was Rowan in ¾, 4/3 3/5 stack, are they a gap controlled defense? Db's do they play 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,if so how was their  technique? Quick feet, good hips, can get out of their back pedal, break on the ball,  communicate well, pass the WR's off to the next zone, pattern read??

And I would also like to know how you gathered this from a 27-7 loss to Montclair...

Would his assessment be equally invalid if he said something you agreed with? It's funny how these posts demanding intricate knowledge of the game before having an opinion come out of the woodwork whenever someone has the audacity to offer a opinion someone disagrees with.

Get over yourself. So you were an ex-player/coach. Big deal. No-one here is especially impressed when those types of people come rolling in here. It's nice to have contributions from them, and first-hand knowledge, but believe me, having a smug, holier-than-thou attitude about what you know just means people will think you're a jerk. If people who didn't play/coach are so incapable of offering quality analysis, why are you posting in a forum where there are so many of us? Why don't you just talk to your ex-football buddies? If you need to come to a message board and act superior towards others because you were an ex-player, then there's something missing in your life. But no-one in here is actually going to be intimidated or impressed by your attitude.

[pg04]

Go Brockport!!! lol. 

[MSU Pride]

You're misunderstanding my post and I don't know why you took such offense to it, I am just interested in how he came up with his assessment. This has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, I didn't say the LB's or DB's were better from MSU, part because while I was at the game, it was early in the year and I really don't remember. I give credit where credit is due, Cortland, very good team, tremendous team speed, # 3 who was the roll down safety is a beast.

I am not a doctor while I may entertain a conversation with a friend of mine who is regarding a topic pertaining to his profession, I would probably refrain from offering my own opinion because I do not know enough about the topic to add anything worth of value.

I love this site, helps keep D3 on the map, Pat Coleman is our voice, and I enjoy reading the majority of the posts which add some color to my day and a build of for Saturday. I definitely do not have a "holier-than-thou attitude" LOL, far from it.  I think it's great people route for their team and route against others, talk about what teams were better in the past, who was overrated and so fourth. I am pro NJAC, Pro D3 Football; I have made multiple phone calls for guys who played on other teams in our conference and D3 to help them continue their career at the next level. Trust me nothing is missing in my life and my intent was not to bully someone simply because I may know more about a topic then they do.  When you write an analytically about something you leave yourself open for the reader to question your assessment which is what I am doing.

My attitude is a result of his post about something that he probably doesn't have enough knowledge to comment on. If he would have said, I just think Rowan is a better team, laid an egg the second game of the year, or Montclair is overrated. Maybe I would make a smart ass remark about the scoreboard but would chalk it up as agree to disagree. That's not what he wrote though...