FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[phil]

Well, tried to watch the TCNJ / Ursinus game and decided the Lions are all but unwatchable. Down 5-0 to Ursinus in the second quarter with 4 and 12 from the Ursinus 22, the Lions decide to go for it rather than try the 37 yard field goal (presumably because nobody can kick a 37 yard field goal?). Ursinus brings the house, forces a fumble and runs it back 70 yards. Lots O luck against Whitewater...

Seems that my post from September has proved to be a bit prophetic. A TCNJ loss to Rowan (and they WILL lose to Rowan), would lock up TCNJ/Trenton State's worst year since a 1-8 season in 1965 – and at least THAT team beat Rowan/Glassboro State 9-0. Sad to see TCNJ football and basketball programs in the sorry state they're in (basketball without an NCAA win since 1989 and only 1 winning season in the last ten). At least the TCNJ basketball team shows a hint of promise this year ... but who knows where the football program is heading. Maybe back to the glory years of '39-'49 when they made LIFE magazine for ending a ten year winless streak by beating Montclair.

...at least they beat Montclair.

[rams1102]

Every time I try to figure out the NJAC winner for the AQ I come up with another scenario.

To start the discussion let us say that Montclair and Rowan take care of business and win big this week.

We will now have Tri-Champions. Montclair 8-2, Rowan 7-3, and M-Ville 8-2 and the decission is by the NJAC Commish.

1. The team playing the best and explosive is M-Ville. IMHO they SHOULD win it.
2. Rowan stomped M-Ville and lost to Montclair by 10. Their SOS is better than MSU & M-Ville. You may lean Rowan.
3. With M-Ville leaving the NJAC & MSU beat Rowan & a better record 8-2 vs 7-3 you can lean MSU, but a stretch.

There are brighter people out there then myself and I would love to hear their opinion.

If Rowan doesn't poop their pants, though tough to tell with their colors vs TCNJ they WILL get the nod.

[MSU Pride]

I heard it has something to do with the point deferential in the first half of when the teams played each other? I don't understand any of this, I have another question, let's say MSU doesn't get the automatic bid for the conf, what would have to happen to get an at large bid, how many teams would have to lose this weekend, does a two loss team get in out of the NJAC? 

"Keep Pounding"

Sam Mills

[rams1102]

I heard it has something to do with the point deferential in the first half of when the teams played each other? I don't understand any of this, I have another question, let's say MSU doesn't get the automatic bid for the conf, what would have to happen to get an at large bid, how many teams would have to lose this weekend, does a two loss team get in out of the NJAC? 

"Keep Pounding"

Sam Mills

A 2  loss team from the NJAC goes home. It's the conference AQ or nothing.

[Bombers798891]

I have another question, let's say MSU doesn't get the automatic bid for the conf, what would have to happen to get an at large bid

No shot whatsoever. Frankly, I don't think MSU to even comes close to the table. Let's just look at the East and think about who would need to be cleared out of the way.

1. They're going to end up behind the Del Valley/Widener loser, no matter what happens.

2. They won't jump St. Lawrence unless the Saints lose again or the ranking committee does something silly. They were already behind them, and St. Lawrence has a win over Morrisville, who beat MSU. St. Lawrence closes with Merchant Marine, who is 1-7 against D-III competition and last week allowed a freshman quarterback to throw 6 touchdowns.

3. I'm not sure why they were behind Framingham in the last rankings, but unless the committee essentially admits they made a mistake there, I don't see that situation improving considering Framingham won and Montclair lost last week. So you'd have to hope Framingham loses to Worchester State, but Worchester is really, really, lousy on defense. And even then, the committee seems to think more highly of Framingham, as illogical as that may be.

4. I'd guess that St. John Fisher would have to lose again too. They were four spots ahead of MSU, and their SOS will stay ahead of Montclair I would think, given how different they are now and the fact that Montclair's got a 2-7 Kean next week. Fisher will be playing at a 5-4 Alfred.

5. This doesn't even get into the whole thing with an 8-2 Lycoming (they play 0-9 Florham this week) sitting right next to Montclair in the last rankings before the MSU loss. You could be looking at a toss-up there.

And remember, this is just what I think needs to happen for Montclair to get to the table in the East. I'm not doing any heavy lifting on the other regions and who gets picked if Montclair is at the table after the Del Valley/Widener loser is picked. But given that there's only eight Pool B/C spots, and right now Montclair is at best, probably 5th in the East at-large pool, they'd need a TON of upsets to even get on the radar.

[ExTartanPlayer]

I heard it has something to do with the point deferential in the first half of when the teams played each other? I don't understand any of this, I have another question, let's say MSU doesn't get the automatic bid for the conf, what would have to happen to get an at large bid, how many teams would have to lose this weekend, does a two loss team get in out of the NJAC? 

"Keep Pounding"

Sam Mills

A 2  loss team from the NJAC goes home. It's the conference AQ or nothing.

Yup.  Not always, but this year, that's the deal (as Bombers has walked through the regional rankings pretty thoroughly).  Nobody in the NJAC is ranked highly enough in the RR's to sniff the Pool C discussion.

[rams1102]

I would like to see someone respond to my earlier post to see who would get the NJAC AQ.

Only the NJAC AQ goes dancing and everyone else go home.

IMHO the Pool B (I think thats correct) will be the loser of the Del-Val / Widner game.

[DVgradRUdad]

I posted the outcome on how they did it a few years back on the page back, Rowan wins not because they are necessarily the best rep of the NJAC but because the head to head scores against each other, of course they have to beat TCNJ !

[ExTartanPlayer]

IMHO the Pool B (I think thats correct) will be the loser of the Del-Val / Widner game.

I can't give you an answer on the NJAC AQ, unfortunately.

rams1102, no offense, but based on some of your posts (here and elsewhere), I'm not sure you totally get the playoff system.   I strongly suggest giving this a read:

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

There is no "East" bracket.  Four #1 seeds are selected and brackets are built around them.  It is likely that Wesley will get a top seed and have a bracket with mostly East teams in it, but the East teams aren't contending for eight playoff spots in the "East" bracket.  They're contending for spots in the overall field, as determined by the process of selection in Pool A (automatic bids; 24 conferences this year with an auto-bid), Pool B (bids for teams in conferences that do not have auto-qualifiers; there are two this year), and Pool C (the at-large bids to determine the remaining slots; there are six this year).

Wally_wabash puts together a Pool C projection thread each week that mimics the actual process of selecting the Pool B and Pool C teams.  Once the 32 teams are chosen, then the brackets are put together, not built-as-they-go by region.

[MSU Pride]

Still don't understand the Framingham situation....It is what it is, they had a chance to win, they didn't, all MSU can do is beat Kean soundly and pray for some upsets...

"Keep Pounding"

Sam Mills

[rams1102]

IMHO the Pool B (I think thats correct) will be the loser of the Del-Val / Widner game.

I can't give you an answer on the NJAC AQ, unfortunately.

rams1102, no offense, but based on some of your posts (here and elsewhere), I'm not sure you totally get the playoff system.   I strongly suggest giving this a read:

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

There is no "East" bracket.  Four #1 seeds are selected and brackets are built around them.  It is likely that Wesley will get a top seed and have a bracket with mostly East teams in it, but the East teams aren't contending for eight playoff spots in the "East" bracket.  They're contending for spots in the overall field, as determined by the process of selection in Pool A (automatic bids; 24 conferences this year with an auto-bid), Pool B (bids for teams in conferences that do not have auto-qualifiers; there are two this year), and Pool C (the at-large bids to determine the remaining slots; there are six this year).

Wally_wabash puts together a Pool C projection thread each week that mimics the actual process of selecting the Pool B and Pool C teams.  Once the 32 teams are chosen, then the brackets are put together, not built-as-they-go by region.

I guess I am using the wrong words. I should be stating the "Wesley Bracket" and I apologize. I realize in 2010 MSU went to Hampton Sidney and we were part of the Mount Union Bracket. With Wesley as a true elite team they will hopefully get a bracket and yes they will be part of the NJAC next year. The Del-Val / Widner loser IMHO will get a Pool B. Travel to Bangor, ME puts a monkey wernch to the so called Wesley Bracket. Could someone from the south move to the bracket, absolutly. I guess we will all find out Sunday.

[Bombers798891]

IMHO the Pool B (I think thats correct) will be the loser of the Del-Val / Widner game.

I can't give you an answer on the NJAC AQ, unfortunately.

rams1102, no offense, but based on some of your posts (here and elsewhere), I'm not sure you totally get the playoff system.   I strongly suggest giving this a read:

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

There is no "East" bracket.  Four #1 seeds are selected and brackets are built around them.  It is likely that Wesley will get a top seed and have a bracket with mostly East teams in it, but the East teams aren't contending for eight playoff spots in the "East" bracket.  They're contending for spots in the overall field, as determined by the process of selection in Pool A (automatic bids; 24 conferences this year with an auto-bid), Pool B (bids for teams in conferences that do not have auto-qualifiers; there are two this year), and Pool C (the at-large bids to determine the remaining slots; there are six this year).

Wally_wabash puts together a Pool C projection thread each week that mimics the actual process of selecting the Pool B and Pool C teams.  Once the 32 teams are chosen, then the brackets are put together, not built-as-they-go by region.

I guess I am using the wrong words. I should be stating the "Wesley Bracket" and I apologize. I realize in 2010 MSU went to Hampton Sidney and we were part of the Mount Union Bracket. With Wesley as a true elite team they will hopefully get a bracket and yes they will be part of the NJAC next year. The Del-Val / Widner loser IMHO will get a Pool B. Travel to Bangor, ME puts a monkey wernch to the so called Wesley Bracket. Could someone from the south move to the bracket, absolutly. I guess we will all find out Sunday.

The del val/ widener loser will get a pool c bid. Pool b's are for teams in non AQ conferences

[rams1102]

IMHO the Pool B (I think thats correct) will be the loser of the Del-Val / Widner game.

I can't give you an answer on the NJAC AQ, unfortunately.

rams1102, no offense, but based on some of your posts (here and elsewhere), I'm not sure you totally get the playoff system.   I strongly suggest giving this a read:

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

There is no "East" bracket.  Four #1 seeds are selected and brackets are built around them.  It is likely that Wesley will get a top seed and have a bracket with mostly East teams in it, but the East teams aren't contending for eight playoff spots in the "East" bracket.  They're contending for spots in the overall field, as determined by the process of selection in Pool A (automatic bids; 24 conferences this year with an auto-bid), Pool B (bids for teams in conferences that do not have auto-qualifiers; there are two this year), and Pool C (the at-large bids to determine the remaining slots; there are six this year).

Wally_wabash puts together a Pool C projection thread each week that mimics the actual process of selecting the Pool B and Pool C teams.  Once the 32 teams are chosen, then the brackets are put together, not built-as-they-go by region.

I guess I am using the wrong words. I should be stating the "Wesley Bracket" and I apologize. I realize in 2010 MSU went to Hampton Sidney and we were part of the Mount Union Bracket. With Wesley as a true elite team they will hopefully get a bracket and yes they will be part of the NJAC next year. The Del-Val / Widner loser IMHO will get a Pool B. Travel to Bangor, ME puts a monkey wernch to the so called Wesley Bracket. Could someone from the south move to the bracket, absolutly. I guess we will all find out Sunday.

The del val/ widener loser will get a pool c bid. Pool b's are for teams in non AQ conferences

Thanks, I think you knew what meant. 

[rams1102]

I just became the biggest TCNJ Fan, Go Beat Rowan !!!

[wesleydad]

I just became the biggest TCNJ Fan, Go Beat Rowan !!!

I agree Rams, Rowan will not be a good rep for the NJAC and I know they beat Morrisville 31 - 0, for the life of me I have no idea how that happened.