FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

For public schools. An important distinction. CNU is a good public school, but there are a few D3 privates in VA that are tougher to recruit to from an academic standpoint. W&L is in it's own category, but H-SC, and Bridgewater have lower acceptance rates than CNU, and H-SC, Bridgewater and R-MC have basically the same accepted SAT/ACT scores. If you want to play at the D3 level, and are looking for public school affordability, CNU is your ONLY option in VA. That is a pretty good advantage that the public NJAC schools don't possess.

None of that takes away from my respect for CNU as a school. It is a very good one and absolutely on the upswing. I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

[jete2]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

For public schools. An important distinction. CNU is a good public school, but there are a few D3 privates in VA that are tougher to recruit to from an academic standpoint. W&L is in it's own category, but H-SC, and Bridgewater have lower acceptance rates than CNU, and H-SC, Bridgewater and R-MC have basically the same accepted SAT/ACT scores. If you want to play at the D3 level, and are looking for public school affordability, CNU is your ONLY option in VA. That is a pretty good advantage that the public NJAC schools don't possess.

None of that takes away from my respect for CNU as a school. It is a very good one and absolutely on the upswing. I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

When my son son was being recruited by R-MC and Bridgewater he received financial packages that were much better than CNU's.  It helped that he was a very good student but I was surprised that CNU couldn't come up with more aid.  Are you saying the New Jersey public schools are not as affordable as the Virginia publics or the competition among them makes it harder to recruit in state kids?  Anyways, my point is in my experience with my children is that the private schools had an advantage over the publics because they could offer more $$ whether it be academic, leadership based, etc.

[jknezek]

When my son son was being recruited by R-MC and Bridgewater he received financial packages that were much better than CNU's.  It helped that he was a very good student but I was surprised that CNU couldn't come up with more aid.

This certainly does happen. The private schools have more ability to try and attract kids that are a stretch for the school. For a kid going to a school that is somewhat indifferent on whether he gets in or not, or a reach for the student, the public schools are usually a financial winner.

  Are you saying the New Jersey public schools are not as affordable as the Virginia publics or the competition among them makes it harder to recruit in state kids?  Anyways, my point is in my experience with my children is that the private schools had an advantage over the publics because they could offer more $$ whether it be academic, leadership based, etc.

I have no idea if the NJ schools are more expensive. My point was, if you want to play at the D3 level in VA and are looking for state school affordability, CNU is your only football option. In NJ, as the NJAC shows, there are six schools that must compete for the athlete. So CNU doesn't have to compete against other state schools for D3 football players, but Morrisville, Montclair, Rowan, TCNJ, Willy Pat, and Kean are competing against each other for D3 football players in NJ.

In other words, if you want to play football at a state school in VA and are a D3 level player, CNU is your only choice. The plethora of D3 options surrounding CNU make it a small advantage, but it is still some kind of an advantage in comparison to the NJ state schools all in competition with each other and the private D3 schools in the area.

[CNU85]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

For public schools. An important distinction. CNU is a good public school, but there are a few D3 privates in VA that are tougher to recruit to from an academic standpoint. W&L is in it's own category, but H-SC, and Bridgewater have lower acceptance rates than CNU, and H-SC, Bridgewater and R-MC have basically the same accepted SAT/ACT scores. If you want to play at the D3 level, and are looking for public school affordability, CNU is your ONLY option in VA. That is a pretty good advantage that the public NJAC schools don't possess.

None of that takes away from my respect for CNU as a school. It is a very good one and absolutely on the upswing. I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

When my son son was being recruited by R-MC and Bridgewater he received financial packages that were much better than CNU's.  It helped that he was a very good student but I was surprised that CNU couldn't come up with more aid.  Are you saying the New Jersey public schools are not as affordable as the Virginia publics or the competition among them makes it harder to recruit in state kids?  Anyways, my point is in my experience with my children is that the private schools had an advantage over the publics because they could offer more $$ whether it be academic, leadership based, etc.

It's all about the endowment. And right now CNU has a very small endowment. We are in the middle of our first ever comprehensive campaign to help increase it, but we are light years away from anyone else. Our President said, in talking about a non-athlete, that it kills him when someone says they want to come to CNU but then UVA whips out it's $5 billion endowment and it becomes a no-brainer for that student and her parents. But yes CNU does have many advantages. But then again, from a football perspective, it seems like other schools in the NJAC are doing something right because they recruit and field some pretty good teams! I think it comes down to the coaches and recruiting staff just knowing how to play the hand they are dealt. They find a way to make it happen.

[CNU85]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

Just re-read this....bahahaha...no way JMU is ahead of CNU. 10 years ago yes, but not today. My daughter started at JMU. JMU gave her 13 credit hours for her high school IB work. She took 15 in her first semester. Total = 28. She transferred to CNU - and lost 19 of those 28 credits...started with 9 after a semester in college!!! (she still graduated on time..Magna Cum Laude).

[jknezek]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

Just re-read this....bahahaha...no way JMU is ahead of CNU. 10 years ago yes, but not today. My daughter started at JMU. JMU gave her 13 credit hours for her high school IB work. She took 15 in her first semester. Total = 28. She transferred to CNU - and lost 19 of those 28 credits...started with 9 after a semester in college!!! (she still graduated on time..Magna Cum Laude).

I'm no expert on it, so you may very well be right. US News ranks JMU #6 among Southern Regional Colleges. CNU ties for 17th. USA Today puts JMU #6 at schools in VA, CNU doesn't make the top 10. Forbes puts JMU at 188, CNU at 381. College Factual ranks JMU 6 in VA, CNU not in top 10. 4IU has JMU at 6 in VA, CNU at 19.

I'm no expert, but the people that claim to be, whether they are or aren't, are pretty consistent.

[CNU85]

Now, we are 3rd in state for Avg SAT scores behind W&M and UVA. It keeps getting tougher and tougher to recruit.

I'd still rank them fourth among Virginia public schools, UVa, W&M, JMU, CNU/GMU, depending on your interests of course, but that list is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in Va Tech, VCU, and VMI and if I could find a job, I'd move to Va so my kids could go to the state university system. It's one of the best in the nation in my opinion.

Just re-read this....bahahaha...no way JMU is ahead of CNU. 10 years ago yes, but not today. My daughter started at JMU. JMU gave her 13 credit hours for her high school IB work. She took 15 in her first semester. Total = 28. She transferred to CNU - and lost 19 of those 28 credits...started with 9 after a semester in college!!! (she still graduated on time..Magna Cum Laude).

I'm no expert on it, so you may very well be right. US News ranks JMU #6 among Southern Regional Colleges. CNU ties for 17th. USA Today puts JMU #6 at schools in VA, CNU doesn't make the top 10. Forbes puts JMU at 188, CNU at 381. College Factual ranks JMU 6 in VA, CNU not in top 10. 4IU has JMU at 6 in VA, CNU at 19.

I'm no expert, but the people that claim to be, whether they are or aren't, are pretty consistent.

Looks that way. I'm not an expert either. And I am biased a tad bit.  But thems the facts!! #4 ain't too shabby!

[jknezek]

Looks that way. I'm not an expert either. And I am biased a tad bit.  But thems the facts!! #4 ain's too shabby!

Yep. That was really my original point. All those schools are darn good. CNU probably suffers from the endowment size in these metrics. Not necessarily the quality of learning versus JMU. I think CNU is around 20MM, JMU is almost 80MM.

[CNU85]

Looks that way. I'm not an expert either. And I am biased a tad bit.  But thems the facts!! #4 ain's too shabby!

Yep. That was really my original point. All those schools are darn good. CNU probably suffers from the endowment size in these metrics. Not necessarily the quality of learning versus JMU. I think CNU is around 20MM, JMU is almost 80MM.

Another "smarter than the average bear" poster on here! Those figures are about right.

[D O.C.]

Good for DIII to have Wesley suit up with North Central.
I'll watch.

[Teamski]

I've been to CNU with Wesley on their last trip and I fully concur with the belief that the CNU campus has to be one of the best in DIII.  I was floored.  Absolutely amazing.

-Ski

[Teamski]

I was checking on it, and this season will be Wesley's first season (at least since 1999) with an entirely DIII lineup.  How's that for some history!!!

-Ski

[CNU85]

I was checking on it, and this season will be Wesley's first season (at least since 1999) with an entirely DIII lineup.  How's that for some history!!!

-Ski

That's cool! I'm really looking forward to the NJAC and the tougher competition. It can only help everyone to step up a notch.

[wesleydad]

checking into flights to chicago midway for the NCC game.  $50 each way on southwest if you are ok flying out at 700 in the morning on saturday and flying back at 700 in the evening.  I know it is out and back but the time is fine if the game starts at 100 NCC time.  Game over at 4 and it is less than an hour back to the airport.  Land at 830 Chicago time means plenty of time to get to NCC and hang with some NCC folks and tailgate before the game.  I spend more than that for gas and tolls going to Mount Union.  I am almost certainly booking this.

[jete2]

checking into flights to chicago midway for the NCC game.  $50 each way on southwest if you are ok flying out at 700 in the morning on saturday and flying back at 700 in the evening.  I know it is out and back but the time is fine if the game starts at 100 NCC time.  Game over at 4 and it is less than an hour back to the airport.  Land at 830 Chicago time means plenty of time to get to NCC and hang with some NCC folks and tailgate before the game.  I spend more than that for gas and tolls going to Mount Union.  I am almost certainly booking this.

It can be done wesleydad. 5 years ago I flew out from Washington DC to Chicago to see my son play and returned that evening.  Just make sure your taxi cab driver knows what he is doing.  I touched down at 10:00 but arrived at the University of Chicago as the game was about to kickoff at 1:00.  He had no idea where he was going and took me on a tour of Chicago.  Needless to say, I wasn't happy.