FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[wesleydad]

Adding another post of congrats, Kudos to Callahan for being one of the four finalists now for the Gagliardi Trophy, the most important award in D3 football.

Because he is one of the 4 finalists, he will be on hand in Salem for the award presentation next Wednesday.

More info here: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/12/callahan-pawlowski-simmet-sura-gagliardi-final-four

I think Callahan has a very good shot at getting the award. Good luck to him!

pg, I agree.  I think he is a heavy favorite if there is such a thing for this award.  Nothing against the other candidates, but his numbers this year are just crazy good.

[stonecold84]

Congrats to Joe on being a finalist for the Gagliardi - an award he should definitely receive.  Curious about the All-Region teams and how Jamar Baynard was left off, however!

[D O.C.]

Um....

the most important award in D3 football

would be the Walnut and Bronze, I believe.

[MasterJedi]

Um....

the most important award in D3 football

would be the Walnut and Bronze, I believe.

Championship Trophy =/= achievement award.

[D O.C.]

Team / Individual

No?

[thewaterboy]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.

Dan Andrews: 1390 yds, 5.43 ypc, 24 TDs, 325 rec yards, 2 TDs.
Christian Pena: 1048 yds, 5.14 ypc, 17 TDs, 146 rec yards, 1 TD.

Sam Pascale: 1482 yds, 5.98 ypc, 13 TDs, 96 rec yards, 0 TDs
Whit Marcelin: 991 yds, 4.88 ypc, 13 TDs, 68 rec yards, 1 TD

John Smith: 1733 yds, 5.85 ypc, 20 TDs, 96 rec yards, 2 TDs
Chance Brady: 975 yds, 5.21 ypc, 11 TDs, 109 rec yards, 0 TDs

Baynard's rushing stats are comparable to all of these guys, and Andrews only has half as many rec yards as Baynard does.

[wesleydad]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.

Dan Andrews: 1390 yds, 5.43 ypc, 24 TDs, 325 rec yards, 2 TDs.
Christian Pena: 1048 yds, 5.14 ypc, 17 TDs, 146 rec yards, 1 TD.

Sam Pascale: 1482 yds, 5.98 ypc, 13 TDs, 96 rec yards, 0 TDs
Whit Marcelin: 991 yds, 4.88 ypc, 13 TDs, 68 rec yards, 1 TD

John Smith: 1733 yds, 5.85 ypc, 20 TDs, 96 rec yards, 2 TDs
Chance Brady: 975 yds, 5.21 ypc, 11 TDs, 109 rec yards, 0 TDs

Baynard's rushing stats are comparable to all of these guys, and Andrews only has half as many rec yards as Baynard does.

hard to argue when you lay out the stats.  Marcelin's numbers are lower because of injury and he is a better back than Baynard, but I can see how you feel that Baynard should have been on at least 1 of the 3 teams.

[pg04]

Perhaps he deserved a slot on one of the teams given the stats (and I'm not going to fight that he shouldn't be on the team, just what may have gone into the decision), but I do know that there is more than just stat considered (e.g., coach/SID input, influence on the team, etc.).

For example, Dan Andrews was 43% of the Brockport offense ([1390+325]/3978 yards).  As a comparison, Baynard was 26.5% of the offense ([1381+656]/7693). This is completely a function of Callahan's historic year. Visually it probably appeared that Andrews was the more dominant back given that defenses had to worry about Wesley's Pass attack.

I think you'd probably find similar breakdowns for the other teams.

As stated, "Nominating begins shortly after the regular season ends, and involves the Sports Information Director at each institution, using the stats they already upload to D3football.com through PrestoSports. SIDs are contacted by email and the list is sent to conference offices for vetting before our panel of SIDs and D3football.com staff in each region votes."

I suggest that the existence of Callahan probably hid Baynard's performance of those that would have talked about/nominated him. 

Just my thoughts on what perhaps made the difference.

[Bombers798891]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

I'm going to focus on three things:

1. As PG already noted, does having one of the best players in all of Division III football as your quarterback help you or hurt you? Baynard got 5-6 fewer carries a game, probably because Wesley was leading by a lot and the fact that their QB, put up 5,000 yards and 55 TD. On the other hand, that meant defenses had to worry about the passing game against Wesley a LOT more than they did against Brockport, so Andrews could have found himself going up against run blitzes and stacked lines more often.

2. By that same note, Wesley had two offensive lineman who were 1st team all-region and one who was 2nd team. Think that might have helped Baynard's numbers a bit? Look, I'm not saying Baynard didn't deserve it. But he played on an offense that had seven other players who were 1st or 2nd team all-region. Andrews played in an offense in which one other player was 1st or 2nd team all-conference.

3. Of course, Wesley played a tougher schedule than Brockport, both OOC and thanks to those playoff games, so that's a tick in Baynard's favor.

Like so much else with Division III football, the complete lack of any parity makes it pretty much impossible to scout individual stat lines between running backs at these two programs. The positions are heavily reliant on the skills of teammates, and the talent of those players as Wesley blows away the talent of the ones at Brockport. So ultimately, it's apples and oranges when we're looking at raw numbers.

[Pat Coleman]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.

Dan Andrews: 1390 yds, 5.43 ypc, 24 TDs, 325 rec yards, 2 TDs.
Christian Pena: 1048 yds, 5.14 ypc, 17 TDs, 146 rec yards, 1 TD.

Sam Pascale: 1482 yds, 5.98 ypc, 13 TDs, 96 rec yards, 0 TDs
Whit Marcelin: 991 yds, 4.88 ypc, 13 TDs, 68 rec yards, 1 TD

John Smith: 1733 yds, 5.85 ypc, 20 TDs, 96 rec yards, 2 TDs
Chance Brady: 975 yds, 5.21 ypc, 11 TDs, 109 rec yards, 0 TDs

Baynard's rushing stats are comparable to all of these guys, and Andrews only has half as many rec yards as Baynard does.

You're using 13-game stats for Baynard, not 10-game stats.

[pg04]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.

Dan Andrews: 1390 yds, 5.43 ypc, 24 TDs, 325 rec yards, 2 TDs.
Christian Pena: 1048 yds, 5.14 ypc, 17 TDs, 146 rec yards, 1 TD.

Sam Pascale: 1482 yds, 5.98 ypc, 13 TDs, 96 rec yards, 0 TDs
Whit Marcelin: 991 yds, 4.88 ypc, 13 TDs, 68 rec yards, 1 TD

John Smith: 1733 yds, 5.85 ypc, 20 TDs, 96 rec yards, 2 TDs
Chance Brady: 975 yds, 5.21 ypc, 11 TDs, 109 rec yards, 0 TDs

Baynard's rushing stats are comparable to all of these guys, and Andrews only has half as many rec yards as Baynard does.

You're using 13-game stats for Baynard, not 10-game stats.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. Well now I'm fairly convinced that no hosing was involved, considering that and the arguments that I posed and Bombers expanded upon.

[thewaterboy]

I think Jamar Baynard got hosed. Nowhere to be found on the All-East Team when he was an integral part of the top offense in the nation. Some comparative stats:

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.

Dan Andrews: 1390 yds, 5.43 ypc, 24 TDs, 325 rec yards, 2 TDs.
Christian Pena: 1048 yds, 5.14 ypc, 17 TDs, 146 rec yards, 1 TD.

Sam Pascale: 1482 yds, 5.98 ypc, 13 TDs, 96 rec yards, 0 TDs
Whit Marcelin: 991 yds, 4.88 ypc, 13 TDs, 68 rec yards, 1 TD

John Smith: 1733 yds, 5.85 ypc, 20 TDs, 96 rec yards, 2 TDs
Chance Brady: 975 yds, 5.21 ypc, 11 TDs, 109 rec yards, 0 TDs

Baynard's rushing stats are comparable to all of these guys, and Andrews only has half as many rec yards as Baynard does.

You're using 13-game stats for Baynard, not 10-game stats.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. Well now I'm fairly convinced that no hosing was involved, considering that and the arguments that I posed and Bombers expanded upon.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. There were several games in the regular season where Baynard sat out the whole second half.

Additionally, Baynard received more RB votes than Rowan's Marcelin did in determining the NJAC All-Conference teams (both were still 1st Teamers). IMO, you add in his receiving ability (656 yards), and his pass protect ability and he is one of the best backs in the East. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in "my" guy, but I think if you take Baynard away from the Wesley O, Callahan is less successful.

[Pat Coleman]

Additionally, Baynard received more RB votes than Rowan's Marcelin did in determining the NJAC All-Conference teams (both were still 1st Teamers).

I don't know where that is publicly acknowledged. All I see is players listed alphabetically.

We chose seven members of the Wesley offense All-Region.

[wesleydad]

Additionally, Baynard received more RB votes than Rowan's Marcelin did in determining the NJAC All-Conference teams (both were still 1st Teamers).

I don't know where that is publicly acknowledged. All I see is players listed alphabetically.

We chose seven members of the Wesley offense All-Region.

Yea, and 3 linemen which totally surprised me from what I saw all year or at least when they played stronger teams.  The O line was average at best.

[CNU85]

Baynard: 1381 yds, 5.31 ypc, 17 TDs, 656 rec yards, 2 TDs.


NO.   NAME             YR   POS   GP   COMP   ATT   PCT          YDS            Y/G          Y/A       TD   INT   LG
14   Joe Callahan   Sr.   QB   13   346           496   69.8%   5063   389.5   10.2     55   12   87

Wesleydad - how does this happen with an "average at best" O-line? I will take that line!