FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[MRMIKESMITH]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

I agree with this Red Hawk. From all the games, you guys had the best defensive and special teams unit I have seen all year. You are probably the best team we have faced all year. I would still give Wesley offense a nod because of their WRs and RB, however other than that, you have the most complete team and have coaches that will at least try to change it up to get your offense going. I think it's a perception thing over the last two year's on votes. I think you all will have to make your stamp in the ECAC bowl, similar to what Frostburg did a few year's back when they dominated the last good SJF team.

[Bombers798891]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

Look, this is the East this year. Everybody is like, two plays away from their season being drastically different.

Wesley, IC, Salisbury, Montclair, Cortland, Union...they've all had narrow losses where flipping the outcome of one play means *they're* in control of a Pool A bid, or the best Pool C team in the East. Likewise, both RPI and Frostburg are a play or two away from being in drastically different spots, instead of getting ready for the NCAAs.

[Oline89]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

Look, this is the East this year. Everybody is like, two plays away from their season being drastically different.

Wesley, IC, Salisbury, Montclair, Cortland, Union...they've all had narrow losses where flipping the outcome of one play means *they're* in control of a Pool A bid, or the best Pool C team in the East. Likewise, both RPI and Frostburg are a play or two away from being in drastically different spots, instead of getting ready for the NCAAs.

Add Hobart to the list, 10 points away from 2 more league wins.  Plus they have the the #1 SOS in the country

[thewaterboy]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

I agree with this Red Hawk. From all the games, you guys had the best defensive and special teams unit I have seen all year. You are probably the best team we have faced all year. I would still give Wesley offense a nod because of their WRs and RB, however other than that, you have the most complete team and have coaches that will at least try to change it up to get your offense going. I think it's a perception thing over the last two year's on votes. I think you all will have to make your stamp in the ECAC bowl, similar to what Frostburg did a few year's back when they dominated the last good SJF team.

Agree there. I think Wesley is the beneficiary of where it was for the past 10+ years. Montclair does not quite have the pedigree.

[Red Hawks 12]

I agree with you, obviously I am biased because I played for the Red Hawks, I am very active with them team and Coach Giancola is like a second father to me. You make a valid point but I cannot get over Wesley getting top 25 votes. They have 3 losses, MSU has 2, they lost to Rowan who we beat easily and we beat them (Wesley) head on.

Regarding the East bracket, last week Salisbury had a 6th seed, is RPI better than Salisbury? enough where Western New England is ahead of Montclair in the rankings and below a 2 loss Ithaca team? MSU took Frostburg who was ranked 4th in the Country at the time to the Wire and should have beaten the 6th seed. How come Ithaca gets a 9 seed for their two losses to ranked opponents and MSU gets dinged for Wesley beating Salisbury, whom the committee couldn't have thought to highly of because they put two 1 loss teams ahead of them, you can't have it both ways.


"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills


Look, this is the East this year. Everybody is like, two plays away from their season being drastically different.

Wesley, IC, Salisbury, Montclair, Cortland, Union...they've all had narrow losses where flipping the outcome of one play means *they're* in control of a Pool A bid, or the best Pool C team in the East. Likewise, both RPI and Frostburg are a play or two away from being in drastically different spots, instead of getting ready for the NCAAs.
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[Red Hawks 12]

Full disclosure I lost to Ithaca my Freshmen and Junior year in the playoffs LOL....

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"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills
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I agree with this Red Hawk. From all the games, you guys had the best defensive and special teams unit I have seen all year. You are probably the best team we have faced all year. I would still give Wesley offense a nod because of their WRs and RB, however other than that, you have the most complete team and have coaches that will at least try to change it up to get your offense going. I think it's a perception thing over the last two year's on votes. I think you all will have to make your stamp in the ECAC bowl, similar to what Frostburg did a few year's back when they dominated the last good SJF team.
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Agree there. I think Wesley is the beneficiary of where it was for the past 10+ years. Montclair does not quite have the pedigree.
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[MRMIKESMITH]

Full disclosure I lost to Ithaca my Freshmen and Junior year in the playoffs LOL....

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"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

I agree with this Red Hawk. From all the games, you guys had the best defensive and special teams unit I have seen all year. You are probably the best team we have faced all year. I would still give Wesley offense a nod because of their WRs and RB, however other than that, you have the most complete team and have coaches that will at least try to change it up to get your offense going. I think it's a perception thing over the last two year's on votes. I think you all will have to make your stamp in the ECAC bowl, similar to what Frostburg did a few year's back when they dominated the last good SJF team.
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Agree there. I think Wesley is the beneficiary of where it was for the past 10+ years. Montclair does not quite have the pedigree.
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No need for disclosure, majority of us have played or had family/close friends play or even attended/taught at their respective institution. However, I know as a former player how it feels not thinking your team of choice doesn't get the respect it deserves. Usually on the field performance is the case, but sometimes the subjective data and lack of OOC games does a team in. Look at Centre, they loss by 3 points to the 11 ranked team in overtime, yet has on two ORV.

[Bombers798891]

MSU took Frostburg who was ranked 4th in the Country at the time to the Wire and should have beaten the 6th seed. How come Ithaca gets a 9 seed for their two losses to ranked opponents and MSU gets dinged for Wesley beating Salisbury, whom the committee couldn't have thought to highly of because they put two 1 loss teams ahead of them, you can't have it both ways.

Because at the end of the day, based on the regional rankings, IC's losses are simply stronger than Montclair's:

IC
6-point loss to 1st in East RR
1-point loss to 3rd in East RR

MSU
7-point loss to 2nd team in East RR
2-point loss to 6th team in East RR

You can toss in whatever descriptors you want for Montclair's losses, whether it's "down to the wire" or "should have beaten." Those descriptors apply equally to most games in between teams in the East this season, Ithaca included. The Bombers' close losses came against teams the RR committee sees as better. Brockport was ahead of Frostburg. RPI was ahead of Salisbury. Neither team had a win against a RR opponent. This seems pretty straightforward to me.

[MRMIKESMITH]

MSU took Frostburg who was ranked 4th in the Country at the time to the Wire and should have beaten the 6th seed. How come Ithaca gets a 9 seed for their two losses to ranked opponents and MSU gets dinged for Wesley beating Salisbury, whom the committee couldn't have thought to highly of because they put two 1 loss teams ahead of them, you can't have it both ways.

Because at the end of the day, based on the regional rankings, IC's losses are simply stronger than Montclair's:

IC
6-point loss to 1st in East RR
1-point loss to 3rd in East RR

MSU
7-point loss to 2nd team in East RR
2-point loss to 6th team in East RR

You can toss in whatever descriptors you want for Montclair's losses, whether it's "down to the wire" or "should have beaten." Those descriptors apply equally to most games in between teams in the East this season, Ithaca included. The Bombers' close losses came against teams the RR committee sees as better. Brockport was ahead of Frostburg. RPI was ahead of Salisbury. Neither team had a win against a RR opponent. This seems pretty straightforward to me.

FACTS. If you are comparing Ithaca to Montclair, I agree. I think his concern is from a national perspective more in line with what the RR had. The East typically places conference leaders with solid records on board before multiple loss teams.

[Bombers798891]

Yeah, but I think the narrowness of these losses is the factor here. If, for example, IC had lost by 35 to Port and 14 to RPI, I think they'd be lower

[Red Hawks 12]

I just look at it as splitting hairs and if it were reversed, I'm sure you'd have an issue with it,  Western New England? Cmon...Wesley getting national votes for top 25 with 3 losses? After we beat them head up and losing to a team (Rowan) we easily beat.

Del Val having a 4 seed above (at the time) an undefeated Salisbury (bc clearly the committee wasn't high on Salisbury) but are now high enough on Salisbury to give Wesley votes after they beat them? That's what I am saying when I say, you can't have it both ways, regarding the committee's views on Salisbury, not a dig on Ithaca, they should be 8/9 well really they should be 7 and 8.

[Bombers798891]

Wesley getting national votes for top 25 with 3 losses? After we beat them head up and losing to a team (Rowan) we easily beat.

Real quick: Have you noticed how almost every time you describe a Wesley or Montclair result, you word it in such a way that makes MSU look as good as possible?  For example, when talking about MSU's losses, you make sure to include little anecdotes about how close it was, or how fluky the loss was. You'll say they took Frostburg "down to the wire". That they lost to Salisbury "on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win."

But when you describe Wesley's losses, it's just the facts. Montclair beat Wesley, full stop. Wesley lost to Rowan, full stop. Wesley has three losses, full stop.

Maybe this is unconscious, but it might explain why you have such an issue with the rankings. You're viewing every Montclair loss through the lens of how it almost wasn't a loss. But every loss by Wesley is a no-excuses loss. No mitigating circumstances or what ifs.

(Honestly, as someone with no real care whether Montclair is ranked ahead of Wesley or not, when I looked at the box score of their game against each other, I thought to myself: Wesley fumbled away a 1st and goal from the 1, gave up a TD thanks to an offside after MSU missed a FG, and then missed a 26-yarder of their own late. They outgained Montclair by 170 yards, and were even in turnovers. They probably should have won that game)

Look, I get it. I've seen a ton of IC people do it when talking about the RPI and Port losses, but funny enough, none of them mention how close the Hobart, Alfred, and Fisher wins were. I've just sort of noticed it your posts, and thought it was interesting.

[CNU85]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

Look, this is the East this year. Everybody is like, two plays away from their season being drastically different.

Wesley, IC, Salisbury, Montclair, Cortland, Union...they've all had narrow losses where flipping the outcome of one play means *they're* in control of a Pool A bid, or the best Pool C team in the East. Likewise, both RPI and Frostburg are a play or two away from being in drastically different spots, instead of getting ready for the NCAAs.

Don't forget CNU -- 6-2 with the 2 losses to SU and Montclair in OT! 

[Pat Coleman]

Wesley getting national votes for top 25 with 3 losses? After we beat them head up and losing to a team (Rowan) we easily beat.

Real quick: Have you noticed how almost every time you describe a Wesley or Montclair result, you word it in such a way that makes MSU look as good as possible?  For example, when talking about MSU's losses, you make sure to include little anecdotes about how close it was, or how fluky the loss was. You'll say they took Frostburg "down to the wire". That they lost to Salisbury "on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win."

But when you describe Wesley's losses, it's just the facts. Montclair beat Wesley, full stop. Wesley lost to Rowan, full stop. Wesley has three losses, full stop.

Maybe this is unconscious, but it might explain why you have such an issue with the rankings. You're viewing every Montclair loss through the lens of how it almost wasn't a loss. But every loss by Wesley is a no-excuses loss. No mitigating circumstances or what ifs.

(Honestly, as someone with no real care whether Montclair is ranked ahead of Wesley or not, when I looked at the box score of their game against each other, I thought to myself: Wesley fumbled away a 1st and goal from the 1, gave up a TD thanks to an offside after MSU missed a FG, and then missed a 26-yarder of their own late. They outgained Montclair by 170 yards, and were even in turnovers. They probably should have won that game)

Look, I get it. I've seen a ton of IC people do it when talking about the RPI and Port losses, but funny enough, none of them mention how close the Hobart, Alfred, and Fisher wins were. I've just sort of noticed it your posts, and thought it was interesting.

And nobody boosting Montclair ever seems to mention that Wesley beat a team which was and still is ranked in the Top 25.

[MRMIKESMITH]

What a bunch of BS, we beat Wesley head on and beat Rowan soundly, a team they lose to, we take Frostburg to the wire and lose to Salisbury on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win. Last week we received a few votes for top 25, this week none but Wesley receives votes? Along with Cortland? BS

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

Look, this is the East this year. Everybody is like, two plays away from their season being drastically different.

Wesley, IC, Salisbury, Montclair, Cortland, Union...they've all had narrow losses where flipping the outcome of one play means *they're* in control of a Pool A bid, or the best Pool C team in the East. Likewise, both RPI and Frostburg are a play or two away from being in drastically different spots, instead of getting ready for the NCAAs.

Don't forget CNU -- 6-2 with the 2 losses to SU and Montclair in OT! 

Big week for you guys...would be nice if you guys could get a 10th game.