MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[y_jack_lok]

ouch.. seems we were steered wrong concerning Wash U... Men have priority, and will obviously host... IWU, despite losing, may also host.... another writer had Webster to Centre, in Kentucky... and anther to Whitewater in Wisconsin... as we said, SLIAC always a pod filler and a big question mark...

It is the same person who had Webster going to Centre that now has them going to UWW. He originally had Spalding going to Centre, but the Gorloks messed that up so he simply inserted Webster instead, but in his latest version has moved the Gorloks to UWW. Personally, I'd be just as happy if Webster stays here and plays at Wash U so I can see the game. But I also think it would be interesting for the Gorloks to go to Centre (assuming they host) and get a chance  to play a team from a part of the country we don't know much about.

It's been fun reading the Pool C thread. I've never done that before.

[hopefan]

My only trouble is i don't know what all the initials they use stand for... rro, vrro.. etc... and the % they show... wish Pat or someone would come on here and post a quick primer... but just following the different conferences, the upsets etc is alot of fun... we don't have to worry about it because the SLIAC regular season winner has never been considered, but those of us who follow the Hopes, Calvins, RandolphMacons, IWUs of D3 have to always keep it in mind....

[y_jack_lok]

My only trouble is i don't know what all the initials they use stand for... rro, vrro.. etc... and the % they show... wish Pat or someone would come on here and post a quick primer... but just following the different conferences, the upsets etc is alot of fun... we don't have to worry about it because the SLIAC regular season winner has never been considered, but those of us who follow the Hopes, Calvins, RandolphMacons, IWUs of D3 have to always keep it in mind....

I'm pretty sure RRO means regionally ranked opponent and vRRO is a school's record versus RROs. And following the goings on in the ODAC tournament this season where Randolph-Macon got beat in the quarterfinals by Hampden-Sydney (after beating H-SC twice in the regular season) has been fun. I won't go into details here because no one else cares but me.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... RRO stands for regionally ranked opponents... vRRO stands for versus regionally ranked opponents. That number is never a percentage since it is "results" not "winning percentage" and can be looked at accordingly. The overall and in-division records are winnings percentages pretty much, but the committee is allowed to look at other data pertaining that information.

[formersliaccommish]

Two things are on my mind this afternoon relating to the NCAA Tournament.

1) I hope Webster goes anywhere but Washington University. I played there, coached there, and they have a terrific facility so I have a lot of good feelings for WU, but the Webster kids deserve a chance to have a real NCAA Tournament experience, not go down the street a few miles to play someone they have already played.

2) The many acronyms, that even Hopefan doesn't fully understand, are used because the selection committees don't have the guts to look at teams' resumes and decide which ones are the best. I understand that the Committee doesn't want to spend hours on the telephone to justify its choices but these Committees are made up of people who presumably know basketball. This is coming from basically a 19th Century guy, but one who was on the NCAA Division III Tennis National Committee for four years and we never used anything except our own feelings about which teams, and players, were the best.

[y_jack_lok]

Two things are on my mind this afternoon relating to the NCAA Tournament.

1) I hope Webster goes anywhere but Washington University. I played there, coached there, and they have a terrific facility so I have a lot of good feelings for WU, but the Webster kids deserve a chance to have a real NCAA Tournament experience, not go down the street a few miles to play someone they have already played.

2) The many acronyms, that even Hopefan doesn't fully understand, are used because the selection committees don't have the guts to look at teams' resumes and decide which ones are the best. I understand that the Committee doesn't want to spend hours on the telephone to justify its choices but these Committees are made up of people who presumably know basketball. This is coming from basically a 19th Century guy, but one who was on the NCAA Division III Tennis National Committee for four years and we never used anything except our own feelings about which teams, and players, were the best.

I would consider you at least a 20th century guy, and even a 21st century guy. 

[hopefan]

2) The many acronyms, that even Hopefan doesn't fully understand, are used because the selection committees don't have the guts to look at teams' resumes and decide which ones are the best. I understand that the Committee doesn't want to spend hours on the telephone to justify its choices but these Committees are made up of people who presumably know basketball. This is coming from basically a 19th Century guy, but one who was on the NCAA Division III Tennis National Committee for four years and we never used anything except our own feelings about which teams, and players, were the best.

Such an obvious case in point was this year's Midwest regional ratings... Illinois Wesleyan and Wash U coming in with outstanding resumes....  the formulas favored Wash U by a hair, so Wash U each time was rated No 1 over IWU... BUT IWU CLOBBERED Wash U when they met... common sense says IWU should have been No 1, but no, the ultimate decision went with the numbers each time.... I also found that while those closest to the action, the regional committee, could reach one decision, a national committee could overrule that decision to keep the process consistent over all regions... I don't necessarily agree with that process.....

[BunchTime]

Commish, I really agree with you on 1.  You're spot on.  Part of the excitement of going to the NCAA tourney is the new experience of it.  A gym you've probably never been to, a school you've never played, a new city, etc.  Driving 4 miles down the street to play a team you play every year is kind of anticlimactic.

Anyone know when the NCAA tourney announcement will be made tomorrow?

[y_jack_lok]

Commish, I really agree with you on 1.  You're spot on.  Part of the excitement of going to the NCAA tourney is the new experience of it.  A gym you've probably never been to, a school you've never played, a new city, etc.  Driving 4 miles down the street to play a team you play every year is kind of anticlimactic.

Anyone know when the NCAA tourney announcement will be made tomorrow?

I agree with everything in your first paragraph. The ONLY reason I'd want to see Webster at Wash U is so I can see them play -- and I'd like it better if they weren't paired against Wash U in the first round, which would not be likely. But, if not at Wash U, depending on where and when the game is I might still give it a shot. Or I could just go over to Wash U and see the games being played there. Or stay home and try to get the Webster game online. Lots of options.

[hopefan]

Commish, I really agree with you on 1.  You're spot on.  Part of the excitement of going to the NCAA tourney is the new experience of it.  A gym you've probably never been to, a school you've never played, a new city, etc.  Driving 4 miles down the street to play a team you play every year is kind of anticlimactic.

Anyone know when the NCAA tourney announcement will be made tomorrow?

I haven't seen this site announce what time the brackets will be put out.. D3hoops does a super job covering it, will probably give the times tonight.. they usually come out at 11, noon, 1.. something like that...

[iwumichigander]

Commish, I really agree with you on 1.  You're spot on.  Part of the excitement of going to the NCAA tourney is the new experience of it.  A gym you've probably never been to, a school you've never played, a new city, etc.  Driving 4 miles down the street to play a team you play every year is kind of anticlimactic.

Anyone know when the NCAA tourney announcement will be made tomorrow?

I thought I saw a post citing 11:30 am Monday.  D3Hoops.com usually puts up a link to the announcement; and, puts the bracket up fairly quickly.

[BunchTime]

Thanks for the info, everyone.

[hopefan]

I hate to beat a dead horse... but... I'm watching the NEWMAC conference finals being played at Worcester Poly... beautiful facility, seating on the side the camera is facing is likely 1500.. don't know if there is similar on the side the camera is on.. but guess what... there is a track going around that splits those bleachers, and creates a balcony overhang at both ends of the court... and wow, that balcony might come into play once a year if the inbounds man steps back and throws a baseball pass full court, and the passer releases it too high... but what annoyed me about an earlier post was the reference that Spalding's facilities were 'bush league'... I have total allegiance to the Sliac and really take exception to that statement... compare SLIAC facilities to many newer D3 facilities and our facilities don't match up, but they are the SLIAC personality, older, smaller gyms, that I have come to love.... Measure each of our facilities against many other... some are ok..Fontbonne yes, Prin yes (though short in seating), Mac is dreary but does have more seating availability... no other facilities comes close to comparing to larger modern facilities... not Webster, not Westmin, not Greenville, not Blackburn, not Eureka, not Spalding.... I would think only Fontbonne would even be considered to host an NCAA tourney game if a SLIAC team ever merited consideration... But in no matter will I ever accept anything related to SLIAC basketball being referred to as 'bush league'.....  We are at a lower level in D3... it serves a wonderful positive purpose...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

We have mentioned it on Twitter a few times... 12:30 EST for the men... 2:30 EST for the women.

[y_jack_lok]

We have mentioned it on Twitter a few times... 12:30 EST for the men... 2:30 EST for the women.

Is a Twitter account now a necessity to get information?