MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hopefan]

Actually heard on the Prin broadcast of Principia - Webster game  (note former Prin player Matt Jones was NOT one of the broadcasters)

The game finishes tied at end of regulation and goes to OT
One broadcaster states : "how long is OT?"
Other broadcaster says " I don't know, but there's 5 minutes on the clock... is that for rest time?"
Other Broadcaster says " I'm not sure... I've never seen an overtime game at Principia before"
With the help of a bystander, they then inform the listening audience that indeed it is a 5 minute overtime...

Hey, you can't know everything!!!!!!

And in reality the 2 novice announcers did a reasonable job doing the play be play, knowing names, giving the score and time left....

[WUPHF]

Would it be safe to say that this is the first overtime game they have ever called at Principia?

[y_jack_lok]

Let's call today's Webster game at Prin the "Escape from Elsah." Prin may have fewer players on their bench than Webster, but in reality today's game was almost entirely starters vs starters and it was pretty even. Aaron Griffin got some rest in the first half, but the four Webster non-starters who spelled the starters (Zehner, Walton, Odjo, and Henry) didn't get a lot of minutes. If Prin's Justin Ball hadn't been in foul trouble most of the game (he eventually fouled out late in regulation) the outcome might have been different.

[hopefan]

Should Yjack use his comparative scores methodology, seems like Fontbonne will be a big favorite over Webster when they meet!!??   

I'm surprised that Spalding turned it around from losing badly to Greenville to nipping MacMurray today, but I'm totally baffled by the boxscore... It ca't be right can it?  on MacMurrays side..  a horrendous case of the flu perhaps?   Whitlock, Keltner, Hubble, Long and Snarski don't play?  Starters Sutton, Guthrie, and Williams get 20 minutes a piece?    OK... looking at the play by play, all the real players are in for Mac... somehow it's translating wrong to the box score.....

Spalding's Brandon Goeing finds the range and hits 5 threes, 30 points... he's a fun kid to watch play.... looks like he won this one single handed...
Play by play shows Mac had last possession down 1 to win, didn't score with 3 seconds left, Spalding makes a ft to win by 2...

Mac gets the transfer from Millikin on Dec 15.... he'll be a big help quickly....

[y_jack_lok]

Should Yjack use his comparative scores methodology, seems like Fontbonne will be a big favorite over Webster when they meet!!??

The comparative score methodology would have to factor in only regulation time of the Webster/Prin game, making Fontbonne a 15 point favorite if the two teams play the game at Principia.    But that won't happen so give Fontbonne a few more points for a home game and subtract some for a game at Webster. But, what "should" happen according to that methodology seldom does.

Greenville nips Westminster 65-63 at Greenville today. So Webster should beat Greenville by16 at Greenville per the methodology. 

[hopefan]

Should Yjack use his comparative scores methodology, seems like Fontbonne will be a big favorite over Webster when they meet!!??

The comparative score methodology would have to factor in only regulation time of the Webster/Prin game, making Fontbonne a 15 point favorite if the two teams play the game at Principia.    But that won't happen so give Fontbonne a few more points for a home game and subtract some for a game at Webster. But, what "should" happen according to that methodology seldom does.

Greenville nips Westminster 65-63 at Greenville today. So Webster should beat Greenville by16 at Greenville per the methodology. 

Yjack, see my prior post... the 65-63 score was a JV game, improperly turned in to D3hoops... Greenville beat Westmin later in the afternoon, 73-62.

[y_jack_lok]

Should Yjack use his comparative scores methodology, seems like Fontbonne will be a big favorite over Webster when they meet!!??

The comparative score methodology would have to factor in only regulation time of the Webster/Prin game, making Fontbonne a 15 point favorite if the two teams play the game at Principia.    But that won't happen so give Fontbonne a few more points for a home game and subtract some for a game at Webster. But, what "should" happen according to that methodology seldom does.

Greenville nips Westminster 65-63 at Greenville today. So Webster should beat Greenville by16 at Greenville per the methodology. 

Yjack, see my prior post... the 65-63 score was a JV game, improperly turned in to D3hoops... Greenville beat Westmin later in the afternoon, 73-62.

Yeah, I saw that and just messed it up. Now Webster will only beat Greenville by 7 at Greenville if the methodology holds -- which it won't.

[SliacChamp]

I think today was the best thing that could have happened to the Gorloks. Big win against Mac may have inflated their ego led team. See how they respond against the Bears Wednesday night.

[WUPHF]

In advance of the Wednesday evening match-up between Washington University and Webster, a look at the time the Bears got Trimbled by the Gorlocks.  The Bears went 1-12 from three point range while the Gorlocks went 9-21.  The Gorlocks outhustled the Bears in almost every regard.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110112_g2bh.xml?view=boxscore

[hopefan]

I think today was the best thing that could have happened to the Gorloks. Big win against Mac may have inflated their ego led team. See how they respond against the Bears Wednesday night.

Welcome to the board SLIACchamp....if indeed ego is a problem, the players only need to look at the results of their games...as I said before, the loss of all conference big man Kevin Miller brought Webster right back to the pack.  Couple that with the inconsistent play of Ahmad Smith and Hunter Ward (awards for both are meaningless), along with a dose of disappointing performance from the bench... thank goodness for the consistent play of Griffin, Etter and CJ Moore.  Coach Creal has never been so disappointed in a Mac team as he is with his current group, so Webster beating a team with one win is pretty meaningless... and Prin, come on, I love to root for them, but defensive pressure by the Gorlocks should have beaten Prin by 20 or 30 points - Fontbonne showed that...
Nobody was more excited for the Gorlocks coming into the season than me, and when Kevin Miller went down, the bubble burst... but I still had high expectations, and they haven't yet been met...

Don't get me wrong.. the Gorlocks CAN go undefeated in conference...heck, they could even get some national recognition by beating Wash U...  but several players have got to raise their games to a higher level...

so SLIACCHAMP, the question is, can the Gorlocks learn from the Prin result....

[hopefan]

In advance of the Wednesday evening match-up between Washington University and Webster, a look at the time the Bears got Trimbled by the Gorlocks.  The Bears went 1-12 from three point range while the Gorlocks went 9-21.  The Golocks outhustled the Bears in every regard.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110112_g2bh.xml?view=boxscore

WUH  thanks... good memories in that boxscore for Gorlock fans....

[y_jack_lok]

and Prin, come on, I love to root for them, but defensive pressure by the Gorlocks should have beaten Prin by 20 or 30 points - Fontbonne showed that...

so SLIACCHAMP, the question is, can the Gorlocks learn from the Prin result....

It was defensive pressure to start the 2nd half that got Webster back in the game. They pressed on inbounds plays, got some steals and forced a couple of 10 second calls and started the half on a 21-6 run to turn an 8 point deficit into a 7 point lead in about 5 1/2 minutes. But you can't keep that up for an entire half if your bench isn't deep, so the energy waned and Prin fought their way back. And although the Prin roster is a bit thinner than Webster's in terms of numbers and overall talent, I think this might be the best Prin team I've seen in nearly 10 years. They'll miss Larry Patterson next season but the foundation is there for them to contend for a conference tourney spot.

[SliacChamp]

Flashback to 2013 vs IWU for Webster.

Miller doesn't start 2nd half because of knee injury.
Edwards and Mlller pick up 4th fouls early in 2nd half.

Webster lineup now is - Odjo/Moore, Etter, Smith, ward, griffin.

Same starters as this season thus far. The sooner these boys realize that and realize that they "beat" IWU in the national tournament with this same lineup they will be as dangerous as any team has ever been coming out of the SLIAC.

[y_jack_lok]

Flashback to 2013 vs IWU for Webster.

Miller doesn't start 2nd half because of knee injury.
Edwards and Mlller pick up 4th fouls early in 2nd half.

Webster lineup now is - Odjo/Moore, Etter, Smith, ward, griffin.

Same starters as this season thus far. The sooner these boys realize that and realize that they "beat" IWU in the national tournament with this same lineup they will be as dangerous as any team has ever been coming out of the SLIAC.

Where was Huskey?

[hopefan]

Flashback to 2013 vs IWU for Webster.

Miller doesn't start 2nd half because of knee injury.
Edwards and Mlller pick up 4th fouls early in 2nd half.

Webster lineup now is - Odjo/Moore, Etter, Smith, ward, griffin.

Same starters as this season thus far. The sooner these boys realize that and realize that they "beat" IWU in the national tournament with this same lineup they will be as dangerous as any team has ever been coming out of the SLIAC.

Where was Huskey?

Yjack is correct--  looking back at the boxscore for the IWU game, Miller played 27 minutes, Huskey 24, Etter 7, Odjo 10... Moore didn't play
In the second half. Miller played only 9 minutes, Huskey 13, Etter and Odjo 3 each...