MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[y_jack_lok]

Tankins asked to come out of the game on Wednesday, at least once and maybe twice, and looked gassed on the sidelines.  Hopefully it is just a cold or something.

Good to hear.  Hopefully back Wednesday.

I also noticed that Tankins asked to come out of the game once on Wednesday night. But he played 33 minutes and was in late in the game (he's in the play-by-play with 1:56 left and not shown as coming out after), so I'd say It's hard to be sure there's a connection  between asking to come out Wednesday and not playing on Saturday. Whatever, hope he's back for Westminster.

[WUPHF]

Yes, that was just speculation on my part.

[hopefan]

Hopefan's Player of the Week... Johari Dix, Greenville
vs  Mac.... 23 points on 10-14 from the field, 5 assists, 3 steals
  vs  Fontbonne....28 points on 10-17 from field, 9 assists, 5 steals...

a strong second was frosh Logan Doherty from Mac
  Layup heaven vs Greenville... 48 points, 10 boards, 4 assists
  vs Prin, 19 points, 8 boards....


and hopefan's All Conference teams having all kinds of twists and turns........

[hopefan]

So.... I got on the NCAA site to check existing D3 records... team and individual... to see where Greenville stands

Team points per game... Redlands in 2005 averaged 132.4.... Greenville averaging 135.1.... if we speculate Greenville plays 8 more games (5 conference, 2 conf tourney, 1 NCAA tourney), they would need to average 126 ppg in those 8 to finish ahead of Redlands

3 point FGs made per game... Greenville is averaging just below 19 per game... well off Redlands 23 per game in 2005... no chance to catch that

3 point FGs attempted per game record is not listed in NCAA.com

Steals per game... Redlands 2007 averaged 20.29 steals per game... Greenville is averaging 21.9.... Keep that up and Greenville will hold the record!!!

Given system play, numbers are spread out among numerous individual on the team... no individual is even close to any individual season records....

[Greek Tragedy]

I really should keep an eye on the WIAC board count. I can bet it's less than here.

Since Thursday night, there's been 4 posts, three by me. In the last 48 hours, there's been about 1600 views. I expect no more complaints by hopefan regarding views and posts in here. LOL.

[WUPHF]

Those stats are interesting.

There is a high demand for #d3hoops content, but a limited supply of content creators.

[hopefan]

Lots to write about in the last 48 hours...

[hopefan]

I have always admired the Greenville tradition of the prayer circle at the end of the game... it's done every home game, not just with Lee McKinney's Fontonne team... and I know that Coach Barber was a beacon of support during Coach McKinney's lengthy battle with cancer...

But... where was the handshake line after the game on Saturday.. it's been related to me that despite the tactics used to reach 200 against them, Fontbonne waited in line to shake hands... and it didn't happen... (if I'm wrong,I apologize profusely)
and then, a review of boxscores which was confirmed by an ultra reliable source shows me that Greenville leads the conference in something besides points and 3 pointers and steals etc... they lead the league in technical fouls..by a lot....

Greenville.. practice what you preach.. up the sportsmanship multiplier...to me the picture you are painting of yourself is not the same one that I praised so highly 5 or 6 years ago on these same pages... my attitude is that the system is implemented to improve a school's won loss record, which it has for Greenville... GREAT... but it should not be used to set records, to embarrass opponents...beating up second and third stringers with the pressure, heck JV players, in the final minutes of games just to improve the scoring average, does not improve a school's reputation amongst those within the conference, those in the know...

[ecreddevils]

i'm actually surprised that a high-major team hasn't adopted the system in its pure form.

I've wondered about that. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the system works best with a larger roster and D1 schools have a limit on the number of scholarships they can offer.

i still think it could work.  it's a not-so-delicious irony that the perfect D-1 laboratory for a System experiment is right in greenville's backyard:  the missouri valley conference. tried to watch one of these games lately?  you have a conference that largely plays a slow tempo, defensive slugfest style.  many mvc schools have been suffering dropping attendance numbers, yet still trot out the same tired product.  why not some interepid a.d. at siu, evansville, bradley, etc. taking a chance on a george barber?

[y_jack_lok]

i'm actually surprised that a high-major team hasn't adopted the system in its pure form.

I've wondered about that. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the system works best with a larger roster and D1 schools have a limit on the number of scholarships they can offer.

i still think it could work.  it's a not-so-delicious irony that the perfect D-1 laboratory for a System experiment is right in greenville's backyard:  the missouri valley conference. tried to watch one of these games lately?  you have a conference that largely plays a slow tempo, defensive slugfest style.  many mvc schools have been suffering dropping attendance numbers, yet still trot out the same tired product.  why not some interepid a.d. at siu, evansville, bradley, etc. taking a chance on a george barber?

I agree that it could work in a conference like the MVC, but would not likely have much appeal in the more prominent conferences -- Big 10, Big12, SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big East, etc. Would be interesting, though, to see a D1 system team from a conference like the MVC against the likes of Kansas, Duke, Villanova....

[augie77]

Has the Greenville coach (We want to score 200 at all cost!) come under fire from the SLIAC administration, or from his own school?  One wonders. 

[Pat Coleman]

At all costs?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

What a weekend!

It was one of those sets of days we have seen often in Division III where at every turn there was something to watch, a result to ponder, and upset to breakdown. The hardwoods across the country had games worth watching all with just three weeks left in the regular season.

It started with Dave and Pat's trip to Holland, Michigan to witness the 200th meeting of Calvin and Hope. The game at DeVos Fieldhouse lived up to expectations. From the crowd to the battle on the court, every moment was a thrill ride.

And the Super Weekend didn't stop there. A number of teams in both Top 25s took losses that not only will shake up the polls, but also shakes up conferences races and adds plenty of intrigue for the first Regional Rankings to be released this week. Oh, and a 200-point explosion from a high-powered offense!

On this special, Monday, edition of Hoopsville, Dave and guests have plenty to try and breakdown. Dave will share his reactions from "The Rivalry" and you will hear one of the crazier stories on how a mom names a son. Plus, hear about the Greenville-Fontbonne game which saw 346 points put on the board. And coaches from Hamilton men and East Texas Baptist women along with one of the top players for WashU women give us insight on how their teams are doing.

Ryan Scott also joins Dave as they give their initial reactions to the latest Top 25 polls and more.

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[Mr. Ypsi]

At all costs?

I don't know about at ALL costs, but when you intentionally foul while UP by 50+ points just so you can score again, it doesn't pass the smell test.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

At all costs?

I don't know about at ALL costs, but when you intentionally foul while UP by 50+ points just so you can score again, it doesn't pass the smell test.

Just something their head coach told me as he debated this score in his head during the game - they were leading by more than 40 against an opponent recently and they let off the press. That team stormed back to make it a 12 point game. In a System game, it is hard to backoff and suddenly play a different game just because the scoreboard says 50. Furthermore, their opponent (Fontbonne) took them to 2OT last year in another record-shattering game.

I am the first to be critical of games when teams take advantage of their opponents, but this isn't one of those in my opinion. Sure, they were going for 200 ... but are you all just as disappointed when a team closing in on 100 is doing the same thing? System game getting to 200 is like a regular team in the 60s getting to 100 ... they both will get excited.

"Not passing the smell test" is what Lincoln did in 2006 when they won 201-78. They played their starters more than their reserves in the second half and their All-American was in shooting threes late in the game. That wasn't a contest from the moment the ball was tipped up (their coach told me "he doesn't look at scoreboards during games" SMH). In this case, I don't think the circumstances are "equal" to what doesn't or doesn't stink. Looking through the box score and PBP ... for the most part the game was just like any other System game which Greenville has been playing this season.

Coach Barber discusses the game tonight on Hoopsville - you should tune in.