MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

Fontbonne... Yes the Griffs go 2-1, but against pretty weak competition in North Park (Sorry Greg) and Lincoln Christian

No need to apologize for telling the truth. It is what it is, unfortunately.

[WUPHF]

I've been told the officials give one warning, applicable to both teams, then every subsequent flop is a T.  The two games I've seen in person so far have followed that procedure.

The one thing I'd love clarified is when it's appropriate to call them.  I've seen two instances where shooters were definitely touched in the air and fell over and received flopping calls.  I saw one where the ref called a foul on the shot and then a flop on the shooter.  That seems like the scenario where it's most confusing.

Very interesting.

I said I support the rule, but its more that I am opposed to flopping.

I may need a season or two before I fully support the rule.

I am not sure if the rule should apply to shooters.  For example, Ben College was issued a warning on Saturday after a semi-fade away three-point attempt.  He may have simply lost his balance.

Well, I am not sure.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I've been told the officials give one warning, applicable to both teams, then every subsequent flop is a T.  The two games I've seen in person so far have followed that procedure.

The one thing I'd love clarified is when it's appropriate to call them.  I've seen two instances where shooters were definitely touched in the air and fell over and received flopping calls.  I saw one where the ref called a foul on the shot and then a flop on the shooter.  That seems like the scenario where it's most confusing.

Very interesting.

I said I support the rule, but its more that I am opposed to flopping.

I may need a season or two before I fully support the rule.

I am not sure if the rule should apply to shooters.  For example, Ben College was issued a warning on Saturday after a semi-fade away three-point attempt.  He may have simply lost his balance.

Well, I am not sure.

Yeah, the College scenario you described seems pretty common.  I wonder if we're just so used to guys going down on those, we don't realize they don't have to do it?  I presume they'll get it figured out by February.  The emphasis on moving screens last year started a little rough, too, but they figured it out.

[Greek Tragedy]

I saw it on full display in Waukesha when watching Wabash and Greenville. I think it should apply to shooters as well. It's the same frame of mind when a striker takes a dive in the box trying to draw a PK. I can see giving a T for a shooter trying to draw a foul after a shot. However, it seems like of ridiculous to call a flop on a shooter when the ref calls a foul on the defender. That seems extreme.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I saw it on full display in Waukesha when watching Wabash and Greenville. I think it should apply to shooters as well. It's the same frame of mind when a striker takes a dive in the box trying to draw a PK. I can see giving a T for a shooter trying to draw a foul after a shot. However, it seems like of ridiculous to call a flop on a shooter when the ref calls a foul on the defender. That seems extreme.

Especially if the shot was a fade-away jumper, where the shooter may be somewhat off-balance anyway!  Even a tiny nudge might be enough to legitimately put him down.

[WUPHF]

OK, I no longer have an opinion on the flopping rule, but this conversation was interesting.  I'll bring it up again in February (maybe in a different thread) and we can discuss.

[hopefan]

Curious as to how (and if) GU1999 might predict tonight's games.... GU1999, I've enjoyed those immensely..

Tonight is a night where SLIAC teams could stage a major bounce back....our record is horrible, but we've played a very good schedule... the SLIAC could show better than expected..

I don't expect Iowa Wesleyan to match up with Monmouth..
Eureka should dominate Dominican
Blackburn can show the Drury win was no fluke by taking care of Stl Pharma
and I'm hoping for upset opportunities with Webster vs Wash U (though will Webster get clobbered by Wash U's size)    and  Westmin vs Grinnell  (tough road trip though)

less than 2 wins very disappointing
2 wins expected
over 2 wins (thankful at Thanksgiving)

[GU1999]

- GU's schedule has been brutal (top 30 SOS in the country), but the king of SLIAC SOS against is  Blackburn (top ten SOS against even with out the Drury game).  Don't know how you found that and it is early, but a very interesting point

Season to date, the SLIAC SOS against (from Massey - not a perfect source)

Blackburn 2 (includes Drury game, but was #6 before that game)
Greenville 18
Spaulding 63
IWU 105
Fontbonne 148* (included SIUE and USI, both exhibitions.  Without them, I am sure they are in the high 300's)
Webster 223
Erueka 286
Prin 308
Westmin 357* (included McKendree)
Mac 398

League record 13 - 33 (excluding exhibitions).

A few thoughts:
- Blackburn, GU and Spaulding scheduled up and their less than desirable records reasonable reflect same
- Rest of the league really scheduled too light
- Everyone, sans Eureka, could not handle even their light schedules
- Disappointing start to the season overall, but at least a few teams can point to the fact that they really challenged themselves.

[GU1999]

Tuesday, November 26, 2019:

Dominican v. Eureka (@ Eureka) Eureka -10.5
Dominican is a good basketball team.  Eureka is not.  This pre-break game will be played fast and Eureka will run away with it.  Dominican has played a poor schedule and only won one of the three games.  Even against poor competition, they are shooting less than 40% from the floor and 26.8 from 3.  This will not get it done against a team that likes to score the ball in their gym.  To date Dominican's opponents have not shot it well against them, but I think that this is less a result of their great D, but rather the players on the teams against which they have competed.  I look for EU to run away with this one.   

Blackburn v. STLCOP - Blackburn -24.5
STLCOP will not go 2 - 0 against the SLIAC.  Blackburn will run away with it.  Given that Blackburn has played the second toughest schedule in the country to date and coming off of their last game (exhibition) against Drury, the defense of Blackburn will seem like they almost don't exist.  I just wonder if the Eutectics will be able to mix the proper compound to soothe their basketball wounds following this beating.


Webster v. WashU - WashU -16.5
Webster schedules up here and loses. WashU is a top 20 team and is off to a solid 4-1 start.  They've beaten two of three UW schools.  Losing only to Platteville.  Webster lost their way against Manchester on Friday and was over matched on Saturday with Hanover.  This game will look more like the Hanover game, but will not ultimately be as close.
   
Monmouth v. IWU - Monmouth - 24.5
Monmouth ran Eureka and Mac out of the gym.  They beat UW - Whitewater too. IWU may be close to Mac, but it not on the same level of EU or UWW.   This one will be 20+ in Monmouth's favor.  Will Carius may go for 30 and 15. 

Westmin v. Grinnell - Grinnell - 14.5
Grinnell looked better last week against EU.  They played that game a bit faster than they had earlier in the year.  I wonder if Westmin will coax them into a slower style of the System.  If not, look for Grinnell to win pulling away. 

Best Case Scenerio - (3 - 2 EU, Blackburn, and Westmin win)
Worst Case Scenerio - (1 - 4 Blackburn wins)
Likley Scenerio - (2 - 3 EU and Blackburn win)

[WUPHF]

Webster v. WashU - WashU -16.5
Webster schedules up here and loses. WashU is a top 20 team and is off to a solid 4-1 start.  They've beaten two of three UW schools.  Losing only to Platteville.  Webster lost their way against Manchester on Friday and was over matched on Saturday with Hanover.  This game will look more like the Hanover game, but will not ultimately be as close.

There is a bit of a throw out the record books-rivalry here.

Webster does play-up in this game so I would not be surprised if the game is close or even very close.  Last season, the Gorlocks got the upset after trailing by 4 points at the half. 

For the Bears, three-point percentage was an issue in several early season games including this one.  Two seasons ago the teams played together in the Lopata Classic and did not meet. 

Three seasons ago, Washington University managed to escape with a 60-59 win.

In the end, Washington University has a 23-3 overall record in this match-up and that surely moves to 24-3 tonight.

[hopefan]

Hopefan and SLIAC.org on the same page for the 1st time ... both select Trevaughn Goodman as SLIC POW for last week!!!

[GU1999]

Webster v. WashU - WashU -16.5
Webster schedules up here and loses. WashU is a top 20 team and is off to a solid 4-1 start.  They've beaten two of three UW schools.  Losing only to Platteville.  Webster lost their way against Manchester on Friday and was over matched on Saturday with Hanover.  This game will look more like the Hanover game, but will not ultimately be as close.

There is a bit of a throw out the record books-rivalry here.

Webster does play-up in this game so I would not be surprised if the game is close or even very close.  Last season, the Gorlocks got the upset after trailing by 4 points at the half. 

For the Bears, three-point percentage was an issue in several early season games including this one.  Two seasons ago the teams played together in the Lopata Classic and did not meet. 

Three seasons ago, Washington University managed to escape with a 60-59 win.

In the end, Washington University has a 23-3 overall record in this match-up and that surely moves to 24-3 tonight.

Great start for Webster.  Making everything early.  Webster has zero fts at the half.  After Webster jumps out to early 8 pt lead, WUSTL slowly and methodically reels in Webster and finishes the half up 8. 

[GU1999]

Woah.  Blackburn sneaks past STLCOP in OT. 

[hopefan]

Woah.  Blackburn sneaks past STLCOP in OT.

Thank goodness for that (they needed a Karson Hayes hoop on last possession to send game into OT)... Webster, embarrassed;  Westminster, embarrassed; Iowa Wesleyan, we expected to lose anyway; Eureka doesn't exactly romp over Dominican...another tough night for the SLIAC

My chuckle of the night... scoreboard on Grinnell- Westmin stream shows Grinnell's opponent as Iowa Wesleyan....

Despite all of the sour news, I really look forward to conference games next week... only one non exhibition the rest of this week.. Spalding vs Centre (I don't hold much for a SLIAC win there)..

Then conference games begin!!!

[hopefan]

Here is a little ugly forecasting... looking over the rest of the SLIAC D3 nonconference scheduled games, it appears that our guys may finish with the worst record in D3 nonconference games in all of D3.... We've got a couple wins left out there, but a large number of likely losses....this does not count exhibitions or games vs non D3 opponents...

Thank goodness for Eureka being a good team but playing their normal soft schedule... without that we'd be even farther away from next to last....