MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[furbug]

I am with those who want to cut these officials a bit of slack. Many times we yell when we cannot see it as closely as they can, and we are often biased. I include myself. Supposedly they are not biased. And no one has yet mentioned that these guys work for peanuts. How many of you would do that tough job for twice that much?

[hopefan]

I was not going to take this public, and I didn't until now - I wasn't first.

FC and I have had 2 or 3 lengthy discussions in Personal Messages regarding the behavior of the Fontbonne crowd - adults, not students - in general, and specificly at the Maryville game.  Our observations of the behaviors were pretty similar.  ABYSMAL

BUT

I don't like the undertone however in the last two pages, as little Timmy points out..  (ah Little Timmy, one of my favorite LITTLE GUY players of all time)

Nope, Fontbonne did not get screwed, Maryville played the way they needed to and Fontbonne gutted out the win.
Did  the refs turn the ballover 31 times   NO.
Gee if I watched the tape, would I have come up with the same amount of uncalled fouls??   That's ridiculous.
Nope, I don't believe that home team/away team makes a difference in the way a game is called - if it does, let's report it to Supervisor Zetcher - I'm sure he would be unhappy.
If the refs are professional and have any guts, and I assume they do, it's just not important.  
And if that overflow crowd of 80 Maryville students was intimidating - geesh fire the official...  Go to any of 20 or 25 D3 conferences that get real crowds for big games and check out the intimidation level of 1500 or 2000 fans, not a handful of guys.

Not that I expect Maryville students to continue to support the team (why not MU student body?) but the league already sucked the life out of the Blackburn kids, who were the only life to this conference two years ago, so is someone going to come down on the Maryville kids now, for whatever infractions they may have committed or been accused of committing.

Yes, there are some SLIAC refs that are very weak, but they damn well better not be biast, unethical or able to be intimidated, or they'd be OUT


oops, there I go again....

[fcnews]

Working for Peanuts? You obviously don't know what they make.

[furbug]

Actually I do know what they make. 

[pantherpride06]

They are working for more than peanuts...  And I know as well!

[fcnews]

Like the previous poster stated, it was a well deserved road win for FU. FU proved, for once, that they can win a low scoring game. Fontbonne won a game where they committed 31 turnovers and MU took 16 more shots.

Nope never claimed that Hopefan and previously stated it.

As for as the assumed student body problem. It has been addressed by the conference commissioner and is no longer a problem. They moved the line back to the appropiate distance and now they can have at it. I guess in your years of coaching you never watched any film. If it would of been a dozen I could of over looked it.

FU got a win and I am the happiest man in the STL. Maybe second.

Furbug - do you make $60 bucks an hour?

[Elwells2short]

Understood from both sides.  I guess I just find it hard that people can complain about the refs even though their team came away with a hard fought win.  I would think the focus would be on both teams doing a great job of executing their defense (Fontbonne's zone & Maryville's pressure) and Fontbonne doing what they had to, to win.

By the way, this isn't tiny Tim, it's his partner who's taller than 5'2''.  Tim's probably too busy lifting weights, playing ping-pong, and eating grilled cheese to read this stuff.

[hopefan]

FC, Nope, NEVER claimed you said that

Also, when I coached, what little film we watched, we watched to scout opponents or judge how we were running our offense/defense - not to count phantom fouls and then go on a public forum and announce it as fact.


Elwells 2 short - ooooh the guy with the good looking fiance!!!!

[fcnews]

I forgot that was back in the day of 8 tracks and Peach baskets. 

[furbug]

FC, what furbug makes is not your concern, and perhaps the word "peanuts" was an exaggeration, but this is a job where someone has to work periodic two-hour stints, traveling to various locations. It is disruptive to a normal schedule, and it is a thankless job, subject to much harsh criticism and little praise, as witnessed by comments on this site. There is a lot of training that goes into it, and a lot of rules that have to be learned and kept up with. I would not do it for twice that money, and I doubt if many of you would. OK, so strike the word "peanuts" if you will, but I do not think that they get paid much. That's that!

[FU Fan]

I tried to think of 10 of the worst officiated games ( Not just SlIAC and not just Basketball ) I've personally seen in say 10 years.
Only 7 contests of any kind would come to my mind.
5 Basketball 1 Baseball and 1 Football.
Of those #2 #3 #5 all involved the same official ( And they weren't all at the college level.)( Basketball )
#1 involved another SLIAC official ( Basketball )
Not that I've seen 10,000 games, but I've seen HS, AAU,HS , Legion, Select,Koury League and fallball baseballgames,HS Football,HS Soccer,
CYA Soccer: well that's the picture.
Bad is bad.
When a official drastically changes the face of a game it's tough for players to play the game without fear of unfair reprisals and that can be the difference in the score.

[y_jack_lok]

I'll get off the officiating with this note.
When I was watching at the high school level I saw a lot more well officiated games. In the first few minutes you saw the officiating in action and that was what would be happening call wise the entire game. ( from good crews and there were some good ones. ) I see some that I've seen at both of those levels at SLIAC games and guess what again ? The bad ones are still bad.

I thought you said you were going to get off the officiating.

[fcnews]

Well SLIAC Fans the sun came up this morning and it's a good day to play an indoor sport.

Like the previous poster stated, it was a well deserved road win for FU. FU proved, for once, that they can win a low scoring game. Fontbonne won a game where they committed 31 turnovers and MU took 16 more shots.

I've tried to say that it was a hard fought win.

It is hard for a crew to call everything against the Home team, no matter where you are. Just be consistant. If it's going to be a physical game, don't call touch fouls at one end and no calls on the other. The first half was a very well called half. Then the second half is called completely different. Be consistant. The kids get a feel for the game then you change. That is not fair for either team.

I've tried to say it was a tough game to call. I've tried to compliment them on a well officiated first half. I only questioned their consistancy from half to half.

If you don't think Curtis Goodwin could play at any SLIAC school check these stats. MU shot 21 - 63 and 8 - 26 from 3's. Take Godwin out of the equation. MU goes 16-53 and 4-16. That's what I call a difference maker. Great game young man.

I've tried to give props where props were due.

As for as the assumed student body problem. It has been addressed by the conference commissioner and is no longer a problem. They moved the line back to the appropiate distance and now they can have at it.

I've tried to explain that the fan problem had been solved. And, no life has been sucked out of anyone.

Nope, I don't believe that home team/away team makes a difference in the way a game is called - if it does, let's report it to Supervisor Zetcher

I've come to the realization that Hopefan must live in a fantasy world. It is where the term "Homered" came from. There is a reason why coaches, in almost all conference, are allowed to list a few officials they do not want calling one of their games.

That all being said, I'm done with the past two days discussions. It is a new day of SLIAC games and I'm hoping the Griffins can get to 11-3.

[hopefan]

Well FC, in Your world of Excuses, I guess the Refs at the Webster at Fontbonne did a very POOR job of homering  -  make sure those guys are never hired again - but wait, I'm sure no team ever gets homered at Fontbonne, that only happens at other gyms Fontbonne plays in  -  two sides to every story my friend.  I still think entirely inappropriate to make the result of the Maryville Fontbonne game 'the fault' of the officials.....

[fcnews]

Quote from 12/5 by FCnews
Thanks Pride!  Webster domination!

Nope, don't ever remember mentioning anything about officiating following that game. Or, making any excuses.

I still think entirely inappropriate to make the result of the Maryville Fontbonne game 'the fault' of the officials.....

Nope, never mentioned that the officials changed the outcome of the game. If I remember right FU won by 3.

Maybe in my previous quote, "Fantasy World", was way off base. The proper word would have been Naive. I just can't believe in all the games you've watched that you never saw a team get "homered". I can't believe you think that every official is unbiased. I just think sometimes you try to be to pollitically correct.

My appologizes Yjak. You are right. I do know Hopefan means well and has the SLIAC's best interest at heart. And, I also know that at the next game we are at together we will be seen somewhere in the stands discussing some basketball topic. And probably not totally agreeing with each other.