MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

hopefan · January 22, 2008, 08:53:33 AM

No Gem, Lincoln is no longer in the SLIAC... They could not maintain the minimum number of sports required by the NCAA and were forced to drop out. This happened very late in the scheduling process, so all games with SLIAC opponents this year were maintained - but they are non league games.

Gem Shooz · January 22, 2008, 10:46:09 AM

Thanks, hope. I didn't get that memo.

fcnews · January 22, 2008, 11:09:09 AM

Well Hopefan, I did give you a +1 for effort. But I was dissapointed.

WU v. MU - If MU is allowed to use their post defense techniques at Webster, like they did against FU, I don't see Hoggatt or Robinson being able to do any better then FU's bigs. The problem with picking a MU upset is, Coach Rogers needs to spend more time teaching MU to shoot (last in ft%, 6th in 3pt%). Last time I checked, a player like Jared McCoy was 1-6 from 3's on the year. And, probably didn't want that many attempts (to good of an athlete to be leary of pulling the trigger). If WU hits from the line (and they will be there alot) this should be another Gorlok W.

FU v. WC - I don't think McKinney made any mistakes to learn from. He had MU well scouted, they can't shoot, that's why FU played zone for 30 minutes. Plus, WC will not pressure FU anywhere near like MU. WC plays a methodical style of offense that limits posessions. Also, FU is second in team defense and leads in fg% defense, this could be tough on Buxton, Kurz and Warneke. I do agree with you result though.

GC v. EC - This will be a great game.

BC v. PC - I like PC's chances. But, I'd like to see BC come off the winless vs. D III.

Should be a good nite of basketball in the SLIAC.

fcnews · January 22, 2008, 07:09:48 PM

Here is a question for discussion. If one of the current conference leaders finished up, with say, 3 conference losses. Would any SLIAC team have a chance to host a first round game?

Mr. Ypsi · January 22, 2008, 07:33:14 PM

Quote from: fcnews on January 22, 2008, 07:09:48 PM
Here is a question for discussion. If one of the current conference leaders finished up, with say, 3 conference losses. Would any SLIAC team have a chance to host a first round game?

This is a sincere question, not intended as derogatory: has any SLIAC team ever hosted a tournament game?

hopefan · January 22, 2008, 07:41:21 PM

Ypsi no no SLIAC team has ever hosted, but Fontbonne's gym is within a block of Wash U's, so the SLIAC has come real close to hosting a bunch of times!!!!

fcnews · January 22, 2008, 07:51:14 PM

Fontbonne has hosted a womens 1st rd. game. We do definately have the facilities. So does Maryville, I'm not aware of seating capacity at Webster or Westminster.

BunchTime · January 22, 2008, 07:58:54 PM

I don't know if any men's SLIAC team has hosted, but the Lady Gorloks hosted the Tourney in 2001-2002 and went all the way to the Sweet 16 before bowing out! FC, I would still doubt that a SLIAC team would host this year, although under your scenario, teams such as Westminster and Fontbonne would have pretty gaudy records with Webster trailing right behind. Perhaps a 1 or 2 loss SLIAC champ would have a possibility.

fcnews · January 22, 2008, 08:09:20 PM

Bunchtime - I was thinking more of My best case senario. If Webster would go ahead and win out to host the conference tourney (I say that because the #1 seed still hasn't won since '94). And, let say WU wins a 3 OT thriller over FU. With WU's non conference wins would they have a shot.

BunchTime · January 22, 2008, 08:56:42 PM

I would certainly hope that would qualify them as a possibility. But their is still not enough respect for SLIAC teams to secure a team as a host site, in my opinion. I hope that scenario you speak of actually comes to fruition. I could handle that!

pantherpride06 · January 22, 2008, 10:21:14 PM

Note alot of the hosting has to do with schools applying to host the a tournament game. It's a tedious process but if given the opportunity to host, is good exposure for the school. Back in 2002-03 when we went 19-8, I applied (for Greenville) to host 1st/2nd Round for both men's and women's basketball. If your school doesn't at least apply to host, then you won't have a shot.

Just a little insight into the process. If you want to host or like to see your school host, make sure they are taking the necessary steps to do so. There are many steps that go into it including housing, lodging, seating capacity, lighting, floor/gym size, media work room area, press conference area....

I assisted in putting together our plan here at Puget Sound for soccer. We hosted 1st/2nd Round for women's soccer.

Mr. Ypsi · January 22, 2008, 10:29:34 PM

I know these requirements apply for regional games - do they all apply for 1st round games? If they do, which SLIAC schools are eligible (I believe, for example, that a gym seating of 1,000 is necessary for a regional; not sure if any of the others - except regultion-sized floor - are required, or just give one site an advantage over another).

fcnews · January 22, 2008, 10:54:36 PM

Pride - I still remember the 00-01 season when we hosted for the woman, on their way to the sweet sixteen. Same year we stopped Wash U's 83 games winning streak. It is quite a job. But a lot of fun, too.

pantherpride06 · January 22, 2008, 11:34:36 PM

Yes, they are all taken into consideration even with the first/second rounds. I would imagine all of the schools with exception to Westminster would be sufficient. The problem with Westminster is the bleacher proximity to the floor as well as the limited number of seating. Blackburn would probably have the same issues.

Seating Capacity (as listed on D3Hoops.com):

Simon Athletic Center (Maryville) - 2000
Reagan Center (Eureka) - 2000
Dunham Activity Center (Fontbonne) - 1800
HJ Long Gymnasium (Greenville) - 1500
Bill Wall Gymnasium (MacMurray) - 1400
Grant Gymnasium (Webster) - 1000
Principia Gymnasium - 800 (Guess, not listed)
Westminster Gym - 600
Dawes Gymnasium (Blackburn) - 500

From what I understand, the NCAA wants to be represented well. So, they aren't going to let a school host that doesn't have facilities to accommodate. Nothing against Blackburn, but they would never host. Like they probably shouldn't have hosted the SLIAC Tournament a few years ago because of lighting and seating. I'd imagine any SLIAC Gym (with exception of Westminster and Blackburn) would be able to host judging on the facility and seating.

It is a ton of work. But for me (a young athletic administrator), I love it. It's definately work but exciting to be apart of.

right_guard · January 23, 2008, 12:15:09 AM

Regarding the current chat....No SLIAC school will host, or even in my opinion deserves to host a first round game until someones proves that we can do something in the national tournament. No one has been within 20 pts of winning a game yet. Lets worry about winning a game first before worrying about hosting a game.
As far as BC shouldn't have hosted the SLIAC Tourney...WHY NOT??? They did what they were supposed to do, win the regular season. As far as lighting and seating. We put in NEW lights especially for the occasion. And had plenty of seating, since not even half of the bleachers were full for the CHAMPIONSHIP game...that may have been because WC was one of the 2 schools but Maryville didnt bring enough to fill their half even. You werent at the tourney, so don't say we shouldn't have hosted anything. As far as lighting goes. Theres several gyms that have various different quirks to them. MU has walls that seem 50 yards away from the court.....WC has no true heating system just space heaters hanging from the ceiling, Eureka has a warped floor, that cant even be used for Volleyball, at GC it feels as if you play in a barn...Ever watch a game taking place at U of I....It looks pretty dark to me...This is a D1 school with a questionable lighting situation....They shouldn't host anything either then if thats the basis of hosting is lighting...