MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BunchTime]

First, welcome back FC.  Please stick around for the remainder of the season.

Also, FC, I agree with the Saturday afternoon game time.  I can't imagine not playing the game at 7pm -- the primetime spot.  I mean, you don't see Memphis/Tennessee playing a 3pm game today.  I know TV dictates when they play, but that is the point, the premier game of the day was picked by ESPN to be at 8pm, their primetime slot. 

[BunchTime]

For those of you not at a game right now, which is most likely everybody, Webster is beating Eureka 42-22 at the half. 

[BunchTime]

Another solid victory over a pretty good Eureka team.  Final score was Webster 86 to Eureka's 56.  From the live stats, it appears Webster played non-starters from about the 10 minute mark, and cleared the bench entirely by about 5 minute mark.

Webster came out and bolted to a 16-0 lead and were up 23-2 at one point.  Eureka was never able to close the deficit.  Look forward to hearing from those who were at the game.

Congrats to Coach Bunch, his staff, and his players for putting themselves in a position to have a perfect season come Tuesday.  It should be a tough game against the Blue Jays who look to avenge their previous loss to the Gorloks. 

[pantherpride06]

Greenville loses to Principa by 6.  Yes, Panthers lose by 6.

I've said that we've had issues beating Prin.

[BunchTime]

I am predicting Maryville to be the 4th team in the SLIAC Tourney and the Gorloks first opponent.  With 1 game remaining, they play Prin at home -- the easiest of the 3 middle-of-the-pack teams.  Eureka is basically idle next Tuesday by playing LCC.  And finally, Greenville plays at Fontbonne.  We all know anything can happen but it appears that Maryville may emerge as the 4th team.  In the event of a Principia upset over Maryville and a Greenville upset, there would be a 3-way tie for 4th place, but I don't know who would prevail in that situation.

[hopefan]

Greenville loses and goes to 8-7, Maryville wins and goes 8-7, Eureka loses and finishes at 8-8.

So what is the playoff picture now with the turn in events of Greenville losing to Prin?

Well,

Greenville plays at Fontbonne, Maryville hosts Prin

Eureka now is out, as even if Maryville and Greenville lose, they have a win over Font or Westmin, Eureka doesn't.

Greenville is the team that controls their own destiny - if they beat Fontbonne, and Maryville wins, Greenville would have wins over Font and GC, winning the tiebreaker, as Maryville has only a win over Font.

If Greenville loses to Fontbonne and Maryville beats Prin Maryville finishes 9-7 and is in as GC would be 8-8.

If Greenville loses and Maryville loses, the Webster Westmin game comes into play.
GC, MU and EC would be 8-8, 1-1 against each other. Eureka is eliminated for the reason above.  If Webster beats, Westmin,  Westmin and Fontbonne tie for 2nd,  and Maryville and GC would have the exact same wins and losses - back to a coin toss.   If Westmin beats Webster, finishing in 2nd, then GC's win over Westmin is better than Maryville's win over Font, and Greenville is in


To summarize
if GC beats Font, they're in
If GC loses to Font, and MU beats Prin, MU is in
IF GC loses to Font, and MU loses to Prin, and Westmin beats Webster, GC is in
If GC loses to Font and MU loses to Prin and Webster beats Westmin, coin toss (I believe quality of wins would also be equal.)

[Pat Coleman]

2.) The extremely late exit of LCC left the conference with no chance of changes

Thanks for mentioning this -- after reading the messages above I couldn't believe people were fixated on the smaller conference size. I mean, come on, LCC was still on everyone's schedule and everything ...

[Pat Coleman]

The Daily Dose today mentions the Gorloks. It is a take on nicknames. They also mention Griffons, I wonder if they are any relation to FU's Griffins.

Well, I was feeling sympathetic for you until this. Try an e-mail instead of a back-biting post on a board I might not read for days.

[hopefan]

Furbug - that is an extremely interesting point - one I never thought of - would a coin toss be used to break the Westmin-Fontbonne tie first, therefore establishing a pecking order for 2nd and third??   Wow, MU would be rooting pro Fontbonne, Greenville pro Westmin.  It still all comes down to one coin toss, but MU/GC wouldnt have the pressure of making the call!!!!    That's really funny- and still a totally stupid determination for playing or not playing......

[Pat Coleman]

I assumed that there was a school with this mascot name (Griiffons). The question marks where for which school it was. And since when does Fontbonne or myself need your sympathy. We're doing just fine. Back biting, I'm puzzeled by that statement.

transitive verb   : to say mean or spiteful things about (as one not present)

[SLIAC Man]

Neil Compton - 19.3 PPG (2nd), 6.9 RPG (6th), 32 3PTM (T-4th)

45% FG Shooter, 7th in Blocked Shots, 5th in Defensive Rebounds

After watching Neil all year, as well as the rest of the conference, there is no doubt in my mind that he should be 1st team. He carried Mac. After 3 of his teammates bailed on him and the program, Neil stuck around to finish what he started. His dedication to the program and his consistent presence as the best player on the court 99% of the time he steps on it cannot be overlooked by the coaches. Players like Neil who define the SLIAC, score 1000 points, and have never had another player or coach look cross at him need a look at 1st team.

As if Neil didn't already deserve the 1st team honor, it would also be a nice gesture by the coaches, considering the snubs from last year's Mac squad.

This one's on you coaches.



But, as far us posters are concerned (am I a poster yet?), here are my nominees.
1st Team
PG - Ryan Turk WU (Great player, the best or the second best the SLIAC has to offer)
SG - Andrew Buxton WC (Can't argue with his numbers. Senior stepped up...)
SF - Neil Compton THE MAC (Carried his team, pure scorer, one of the SLIAC's finest)
PF - Brian Fogerty FU (POY hands down)
C - Justin Storandt FU (He earned it)

2nd Team
PG - Ben Cochran GC (Tough call between him and Waters from BC, but you can't argue with his numbers, and have to like his youth. NOY as well)
SG - Josh Branch FU (Will be 1st team next year)
SF - Kyle Johnson PC (Underrated player)
PF - Laphanso Ellis GC (Gotta love this guy)
C - Brad Robinson (Plays with a lot of heart. Was really impressed with him this year)

Honorable mentions include: Brian Waters of BC, Michael Zasada of EC, Chad Fournie of FU, Billy Long of THE MAC, and Darrin Hoggatt of WU...An All-Defensive team, if you will.

Can't wait to see the rest of these so I can disagree with them 

[Pat Coleman]

Oh Give Me A Break !

RHIT - Who FU beat in the non - conference schedule beat HCAC leading Defiance today @ Defiance. They also have two wins against 2nd place Franklin. This may help the SLIAC AQ.

The Daily Dose today mentions the Gorloks. It is a take on nicknames. They also mention Griffons, I wonder if they are any relation to FU's Griffins.

Well, I was feeling sympathetic for you until this. Try an e-mail instead of a back-biting post on a board I might not read for days.

For days.

Yeah, man -- if I'm not engaged in a conversation on a particular board then it could be days before I get to it. (I just recently read three days' worth of posts on the NWC, for example.) So if you have a correction to make, Mr. News, e-mail it instead of griping about it. Seems like a fairly reasonable request. If not that, then a PM would work as well.

[pantherpride06]

This board never ceases to amaze me.  I love it.  Nothing better.

Little upset with the Greenville loss, however I feel they can go down to Fontbonne and play well.  Obviously, fcnews and the boys will be ready to play.  However, Greenville is playing for spot in the SLIAC Conference tournament!  I think they will come out and fight the entire way.

GO PANTHERS!!!!

[hopefan]

Furbug - it appears to me that the Quality of wins will do nothing in either of the ties

the quality of wins differentiates between road win and home wins, otherwise it seems to accomplish just what the 2nd tiebreaker does.

It awards more points for a road win than a home win and for a road loss than a home loss

In both ties each team has done exactly what the tied team did..
Font and Westmin will have lost twice to Webster and to each other on the road, and won all others  -  their QOW is =

The same with Maryville and Greenville - they would have lost twice to Webster, once on the road to tied font and Westmin, and once at home to Prin.  Their QOW is equal.

IN FACT, I quickly reviewed the QOW tiebreaker points, and THINK (though I could be proven wrong) that it will ALWAYS come up with the same result - a tie - if it is used after the wins down the standings format is used...... Someone else should test it out to see if I'm right....

[hopefan]

Furbug - you're forgetting the other game in each of those matchups...

Fontbonnes win at Maryville is a +13, their loss to Maryville at home is a +4

Westminsters win at home vs Greenville is a +12, the loss at Greenville is a +5

both add to 17 - that's the falicy in the system  -  by rewardin points for losses with the same differential, it's offsetting the points for wins.