MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wouldn't Maryville be interested in joining the Mid-American Intercollegiate Conference with all the directional Missouri schools and Kansas schools?
http://www.d2football.com/teams/mid-americaintercollegiateathleticsassociation/c1/

As I said the other day, all of the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association schools are public institutions, most of which are in the 5,000-6,000 student range or bigger. Only one school has fewer than 5,000 students: Emporia State, which has about 4,300. In terms of both size and the public/private issue, Maryville really isn't a good fit at all for that league. Plus, it currently has ten members, and I can't imagine that they're looking for an eleventh (unless one of them plans to move to D1, and I haven't heard that any of those schools are looking to do so).

Or maybe they want to emulate the Big Ten?

[sac]

Wouldn't Maryville be interested in joining the Mid-American Intercollegiate Conference with all the directional Missouri schools and Kansas schools?
http://www.d2football.com/teams/mid-americaintercollegiateathleticsassociation/c1/

As I said the other day, all of the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association schools are public institutions, most of which are in the 5,000-6,000 student range or bigger. Only one school has fewer than 5,000 students: Emporia State, which has about 4,300. In terms of both size and the public/private issue, Maryville really isn't a good fit at all for that league. Plus, it currently has ten members, and I can't imagine that they're looking for an eleventh (unless one of them plans to move to D1, and I haven't heard that any of those schools are looking to do so).

Tiffin faces pretty much the same exact situation with the GLIAC but joined anyway.  I don't think Maryville is going to be in a position where they can be picky.

[fcnews]

Well a few more weeks and we'll have our answers from the Spring AD's meeting. Best of luck to the Saints. I hope this is not a miss guided trip.

Add Jay Simmons (Scott City, MO.) big guard and great scorer to the class of 2012. He was an ALL Southeast Missouri selection and played well at the SEMO All Star game at Three Rivers.

There is still one big one in the works. Keep Fingers Crossed.

[Gregory Sager]

Wouldn't Maryville be interested in joining the Mid-American Intercollegiate Conference with all the directional Missouri schools and Kansas schools?
http://www.d2football.com/teams/mid-americaintercollegiateathleticsassociation/c1/

As I said the other day, all of the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association schools are public institutions, most of which are in the 5,000-6,000 student range or bigger. Only one school has fewer than 5,000 students: Emporia State, which has about 4,300. In terms of both size and the public/private issue, Maryville really isn't a good fit at all for that league. Plus, it currently has ten members, and I can't imagine that they're looking for an eleventh (unless one of them plans to move to D1, and I haven't heard that any of those schools are looking to do so).

Tiffin faces pretty much the same exact situation with the GLIAC but joined anyway.

Not really. Unlike the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association, the GLIAC is very much an oversized mixed bag, just like the GLVC. It has thirteen full members (plus Indianapolis, which is an associate member that plays in the GLIAC in football and in the GLVC in everything else). Of those thirteen members, seven are public schools and six (including Tiffin's historical rivals, Ashland and Findlay) are, like Tiffin, private schools with student populations of 4,000 students or less. Aside from Yooper outposts Lake Superior State (2,889 students) and Michigan Tech (5,634 students), all of the GLIAC publics are 8,000 students and up; Grand Valley State and Wayne State are both in the 20,000-undergraduates range.

Tiffin fills a needed slot by joining as the fourteenth full member, particularly since the GLIAC has two divisions in several sports and this will allow the league to construct a uniform scheduling system in those sports.

I don't think Maryville is going to be in a position where they can be picky.

I don't, either. As I said, it's probably either the GLVC or independent status for Maryville as far as D2 is concerned, and it's hard for me to imagine the Maryville brass electing to move from a stable D3 league to independent (read: pariah) status within D2, with all of the scheduling headaches that a D2 indie in the midwest has to endure.

[sac]

The GLIAC is losing two of its private schools........Gannon and Mercyhurst are both leaving this summer. 

The D2 MIAA is gaining Nebraska-Omaha which makes it an 11 team conference, perfect for a 12th member.  Aside from the obvious GVSU and Wayne State enrollments the GLIAC and MIAA are very much similar in overall enrollment with the only difference being 2 more smaller private institutions in the GLIAC if Maryville were to join the MIAA.


...back to your regular SLIAC talk.

[Gregory Sager]

The GLIAC is losing two of its private schools........Gannon and Mercyhurst are both leaving this summer. 

I hadn't realized that. But it doesn't really change the situation re: Tiffin that much. The league will stay at an even number, and it's still a mixed private/public league in which the publics are, on average, significantly larger and different in scope than their private brethren.

The D2 MIAA is gaining Nebraska-Omaha which makes it an 11 team conference, perfect for a 12th member.

I'd been counting Nebraska-Omaha, which is already listed on the MIAA website as a member. However, I was looking at the football page of that league's website; apparently Southwest Baptist is also an MIAA member but has opted out of football participation in that conference, so it wasn't listed as a member. That means that there is indeed eleven MIAA members already, one of which is a private. That might make Maryville slightly more desirable ... but, again, it's almost wholly a conference of public schools with 5,000 or more students. Southwest Baptist is the lone exception as a 2,750-student private.

Aside from the obvious GVSU and Wayne State enrollments the GLIAC and MIAA are very much similar in overall enrollment with the only difference being 2 more smaller private institutions in the GLIAC if Maryville were to join the MIAA.

Again, not really. Here's the two leagues, excepting Gannon and Mercyhurst in the GLIAC and including UNO in the MIAA:

GLIAC

Institution	Affiliation	Enrollment
Ashland University	Private/Brethren	2,772
Ferris State University	Public	11,835
University of Findlay	Private/Non-sectarian	4,004
Grand Valley State University	Public	19,578
Hillsdale College	Private/Non-sectarian	1,326
Lake Superior State University	Public	2,889
Michigan Technological University	Public	5,634
Northern Michigan University	Public	8,702
Northwood University	Private/Non-sectarian	1,987
Saginaw Valley State University	Public	7,933
Tiffin University	Private/Non-sectarian	1,638
Wayne State University	Public	21,145

Average public school undergraduate enrollment: 11,102 students
Average private school undergraduate enrollment: 2,345 students

MIAA

Institution	Affiliation	Enrollment
Emporia State University	Public	4,320
Fort Hays State University	Public	5,920
Missouri Southern State University	Public	5,563
Missouri Western State University	Public	5,276
Northwest Missouri State University	Public	5.661
Pittsburg State University Gorillas	Public	5,872
Southwest Baptist University	Private/Baptist	2,752
Truman State University	Public	5,608
University of Central Missouri	Public	8,919
University of Nebraska at Omaha	Public	11,331
Washburn University	Public	6,020

Average public school undergraduate enrollment: 6,449 students

As you can see, the leagues aren't that much alike. The MIAA is much more uniform in both affiliation and enrollment than is the GLIAC, which is a mixed bag of the same type as the GLVC. Here's part of my earlier chart, listing the GLVC's current private-institution members:

school	enrollment	endowment
Maryville	2,801	$41.8m
Drury	1,608	$83.6m
Indianapolis	3,511	$77.2m
Lewis	3,848	$47.1m
Rockhurst	2,318	$41.2m
Bellarmine	2,325	$30.2m
Kentucky Wesleyan	956	$29.4m
St. Joseph's (IN)	1,070	$16.8m
Quincy	1,222	$12.9m

The bottom line is that the GLVC has numerous peer institutions with which Maryville could find common cause and identity, while the MIAA has only one anomalous orphan, Southwest Baptist, that looks anything like Maryville in terms of size and affiliation.

[hopefan]

There is already some 2008-09 schedule info filtering through on the CCIW page  -  big matchups for SLIAC fans

Maryville is playing at Illinois Wesleyan on Nov 30, a Sunday afternoon

Wheaton, who may very well be one of the top teams in the nation, comes to St Louis to play Webster on Dec 10, a Wednesday


Illinois Wesleyan will also be in St Louis to play in Wash U's Lopata Tourney Dec 5/6

[fcnews]

Hopefan - I posted, qiute a few pages back, that Elmhurst is coming to Fontbonne in December.

It is my understanding that MU is going the independent route. This is based on information I have heard from outside of basketball sources. Look for MU to really strong in the fall sports. It's my understanding they have 9 DII type players already penciled in on the women's soccer team, means soccer is doing quite well also.

I've also heard there is a exiting of of the coaching staff. I'm aware of one head and one very good asst. who are leaving. They are not very happy with the changes going on. These are not Basketball coaches.

On to SLIAC basketball:
News from FU off season workout room. Justin Storandt, who finished the 08 season at 228 lbs, is looking to add another 15 pounds this summer to begin play next year in the 243-245 range. Justin's plyometeric program is showing immediate results.

Mike Riva is putting in the time to get bigger and is. Along with Frank Sheetz. These two freshmen are 6'6 and 6'5 and should be physically ready for college ball next year.

Fogerty is working hard on his perimeter game and is a staple in the weight room.

McCoy and Branch will not appear to have a problem adjusting to the new 3pt. line.

The class of 2009 turns out to be a very productive class. 1 Conference MOP, 2 different conference scoring leaders, 1 tournament MVP, 1 ALL Regional Selection, 1 NCAA Regional All Tourney Team, 3 All Conference (this year) and the conference rebounding champ twice. Not mention 2 trips to the NCAA in three years.

Fogerty (Winfield) - MOP and conference scoring leader
McCoy (Salem) - 2nd team and SLIAC's best 3pt shooter (#6 nationally in 3pt %)
Storandt (Hermann) - HM and the conferences best rebounder and shot blocker (ranked top 35 nationally in both)
Two new members of the 1000 point club

Got to love those rural Missouri kids. Probably on of the best recruiting classes in the conference in awhile.

The Class of 2012 has a lot to live up to. But, will turn out to be a pretty good one.

Daniel Lisch (Bellevile, IL.) 6'3 PG
Colton Bailey (Zalma, MO.) 6'5 Forward
Jay Simmons (Scott City, MO.) 6'2 shooting guard
Colton Hill (Northwest House Springs) 6'0 guard

Just to mention a few. And, it's only May 1st.
Be nice to hear some other schools recruiting news

[sac]

On to SLIAC basketball:
News from FU off season workout room. Justin Storandt, who finished the 08 season at 228 lbs, is looking to add another 15 pounds this summer to begin play next year in the 243-245 range. Justin's plyometeric program is showing immediate results.

This has got to be the first off-season plyometrics update in d3hoops.com history.

[Gregory Sager]

On to SLIAC basketball:
News from FU off season workout room. Justin Storandt, who finished the 08 season at 228 lbs, is looking to add another 15 pounds this summer to begin play next year in the 243-245 range. Justin's plyometeric program is showing immediate results.

This has got to be the first off-season plyometrics update in d3hoops.com history.

George: "Hey! Jimmy! Ha ha ha . . . great game."

Jimmy: "Oh yeah! Jimmy played pretty good."

George: "Hey, you know, I felt we had like a synergy out there, you know, like we were really helping each other."

Kramer: "What d'you got there?"

Jimmy: "These?"

Kramer: "Yeah."

Jimmy: "These are Jimmy's training shoes."

George: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! I've seen these . . . they sorta . . . they make your legs . . . stronger."

Jimmy: "Oh yeah! Jimmy couldn't jump at all before he got these. Jimmy was like you. [looks at George]

Kramer: "They're plyometric."

George: "Plyometric?"

Kramer: "Yeah! They isolate the muscles. The muscle has to grow . . . or die."

George: [to Jimmy] Wh . . . where d'you get 'em?"

Jimmy: "Jimmy sells 'em."

George: "You sell them?"

Jimmy: "Oh yeah! But Jimmy's all out right now. Moving to Manhattan set Jimmy back a bit."

[fcnews]

I'm glad I could entertain you all. Was trying to get back to actual basketball news. Oh well.

[Pat Coleman]

Why so grumpy? I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

[formersliaccommish]

I'm more than a little skeptical of some of those enrollments figures that have been posted, especially as they relate to intercollegiate athletics. Many schools, particularly those in urban areas, have large night school programs populated by part-time students, and quite a few of them count those students in their enrollment figures. Since only full time students can participate in intercollegiate athletics, are usually the only students who care enough and have the time to attend the games, and are usually the only students who pay an athletic fee if their school has one, that's the figure that should be used for comparison purposes.

I've enjoyed reading the posts regarding Maryville's possible move to Division II. You have  illustrated perfectly the folly of it.   

[Pat Coleman]

That's exactly why we use FT undergraduates as our enrollment figures on the site.

[Wydown Blvd.]

unfortunately, we all know both d2hoops sites are not nearly as thorough