MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hopefan]

STLBball      Who I am sitting with makes no difference, and does not impact whom I root for.  I've had good buddies Furbug and Yjak give me endless grief for not rooting for Webster on a consistent basis - I like the underdog, I like close games, I like great plays.  I did connect with Maryville in the Bash -Regan - Hebl -Elwell years (funny, I don't remember abusing refs then), but now I have no rooting interest -my perfect SLIAC season would be one where 9 teams go 8-8, where every game comes down to the last minute no matter who wins...... I love watching kids who play hard and smart and who show the right kind of attitude on the court respecting their opponents, their coaches, and yes, the officials -   the Zasadas, Storandts, Hrdlickas, Forests, Simmons, Crawfords et al. If you see me at Fontbonne games, you know you don't see me at all games, because I go to as many Maryville and Webster games as Fontbonne.

I did not hear the guy from Webster - if I did, it would have bothered me too... and I could have just as easily said something to him...

Yjak the game was the last Webster Fontbonne game, when a foul was called on a Fontbonne player and an individual (NOT the same individual as at Greenville) hollared at the time of the call, during a full time out, and as the players reentered the court, that it was too much time in the lane not a foul  -  having heard as often and as much as I wanted,  I finally simply yelled QUIET  -  it worked.

Now then STLBball if you are aware of the Webster - Fontbonne situation, was I wrong?  If you are a fan of Fontbonne, do you really want that kind of activity from someone that is a part of Fontbonne?  Wouldn't the energy be better directed at cheering on a favorite team - wouldn't that be better for EVERYONE...... if you had a kid or a little brother and were sitting near that kind of activity, could you justify it if the youngster asked about it.....  I'm serious, and not looking for aggravated argument, just discussion.... Should that kind of activity be deamed acceptable, or should a school official be called upon at some point in time to come over and say "Hey, that's enough, either tone it way back, or I'll have to ask you to leave......"

[fcnews]

Just saw where BC's Rod Sykes did not appear in the boxscore. Any news. Great player.

Brian Fogerty moved into 5th all time in scoring. Passing BC's Chris Parker (great player).

Read earlier this week where MC's Miller tied the single game rebounding record off 22. Tied with WC's Jason White, who did it in '96.

We give alot of attention to scoring. How about the other parts of the game.

Which of the following will stand the longest:
22 rebounds, Jason White - '96 / Frederick Miller - '09
11 steals, PC's Tucker Fendon - '05
20 assists, FU's Stacey Ross - '94
15 blocks, FU's Roy Woods - '95

These are all conference single game marks. Must happen during a conference game, only.

Food for thought!!!

[furbug]

 Well, Yjak gets carried away sometimes, but his wife calms him down..

Yjak's wife sings the Star Spangled Banner beautifully - - - and it is about the only time that she has Yjak under control 

[stlbballfan]

Hopefan,

I do remember the moment in question at fontbonne and I agree with you there in fact if you recall there was a family with a small child near the loud mouth and I thought to myself what a bad example. I just think that if it bothers you that much you could not sit there thats all.

Just a discussion. Now lets look forward to some great games and try to decide which to attend?

[hopefan]

spent a lot of time but got interrupted, on the following post  -  should be of major interest to all.......

Well with only four more games over 3 nights between contenders, the permutations of possibilities of matchups have been reduced drasticly.  I've gone through them, and could overwhelm with detail    
I easily could have made errors - if you find one let me know and I'll check it - and correct the statement.  The tiebreakers play a huge role  -  there are two possibilities that look like they could be decided down the ladder farther than I travelled - I'll leave those to the league elite.   

Assuming wins against non contenders:   

Sorry guys, I'm removing as I found a cell error that could have significant impact  - I'll put back in when corrected ---down below in a new post.

[fcnews]

Fontbonne is IN, even if they lose to Westmin.  Fontbonne HOSTS if Westminster loses to them and Eureka, and Webster loses to Maryville or Greenville, or if they beat Westmin and Webster loses to both Maryville and Greenville.

FU hosts if WU loses two either MU or GC. And if FU beats WC. FU does not need and EC win over WC to host.  Correct? WU has 5 losses and FU and WC have four. FU has tiebreaker.

[hopefan]

You got me FC - good job  - if Font beats westmin, they would have swept, earning the tiebreaker, as a Webster loss would put them behind  -  I will correct the original....

[fcnews]

If FU gets by Mac wednesday, they have about a week off to prepare for WC. Watching the EC @WC and the GC @WU results to role in on Saturday.

[furbug]

Greenville is IN if they beat Webster AND Webster loses to Maryville

So, Greenville and Webster would both be 10-6 if this happens. Yet Webster split with Westminster and beat Fontbonne twice; whereas Greenville lost twice to Westminster and split with Fontbonne. Why would not Webster be IN in this case?

[hopefan]

And finally, today a lesson to the SLIAC from our friendly rivals at Wash U.   Wash U won on the road today at Case Western by 8....   Wash U was  34 of 40 from the line, vs 10 of 14 for Case   Scoring 24 more points from the line than their opponents in a close game, ON THE ROAD.


The moral,  It pays to run an offense that is predicated on movement without the ball, with all cuts going to the hoop, and in most cases, unless you have a 45% 3 point shooter like Aaron Thompson, have the outside shot be the third option, not the first or second......

Take the ball to the hole guys!!!!  (Greenville is learning, great job yesterday - just convince Brooks!!)

[hopefan]

oh mercy, a cell error .... everything regarding the Eureka Westmin game is potentially in Error  I'll correct and post when complete.

[fcnews]

And FU has two such shooters, McCoy (46%) and Forrest (57.4%). But I agree with the take it to the hole though. McCoy (89%), Forrest (84%) and Fogerty (72%) need to get to the line more often.

[furbug]

Greenville is IN if they beat Webster AND Webster loses to Maryville

So, Greenville and Webster would both be 10-6 if this happens. Yet Webster split with Westminster and beat Fontbonne twice; whereas Greenville lost twice to Westminster and split with Fontbonne. Why would not Webster be IN in this case?

Actually if this happens, neither WU nor GC go. It would be WC, FU, MU and EC, unless Eureka loses to Westminster. It doesn't stand alone.

[hopefan]

Here is revised - my one error made significant changes

Westminster is IN, even if they lose to Eureka and Fontbonne - the worst they can be is tied for 3rd and 4th - not even in a tiebreaker for 4th spot that would relegate them to 5th
Westminster will host if they beat Fontbonne and Eureka. They will also host if they beat Fontbonne and lose to Eureka, UNLESS Webster beats Maryville and Greenville (Webster would then Host).

Webster is OUT if they lose to both Maryville and Greenville, OR if they lose to Maryville and Westmin loses to Fontbonne and Eureka.  They will HOST if they win two and Westminster loses to either Fontbonne or Eureka

Fontbonne is IN, even if they lose to Westmin.  Fontbonne HOSTS if they beat Westmin,  and Webster loses to either Maryville or Greenville.

Maryville is IN if they beat Webster, OR  they can lose to Webster and still be in if Westminster beats Fontbonne and Eureka, OR if Maryville loses to Webster, Westmin loses to Fontbonne and Greenville beats Webster

Eureka is IN if they beat Westminster AND is in if they lose to Westmin, Fontbonne beats Westmin, and Webster beats Maryville and Greenville

Greenville is IN if they beat Webster AND Webster loses to Maryville, While Westminster beats Eureka.

[sully309]

Eureka came back from 15 down to top Maryville 76-67 Saturday to make it to the .500 mark for the first time all season.  EC was at 2-9 on the season after losing to Maryville the first time they played.

Maryville built a 33-18 lead with about 6:30 let in the 1st half by hitting 4-of-10 from 3-point range.  The Saints finished by making just 2-22 from behind the arc, which was really the story of the game.  The Red Devils got back in the game with a 15-0 run to tie at 33.  The halftime score was 35-35.

I wrote in a previous post that EC couldn't afford to get out-rebounded 50-36 like in the 1st matchup, but I may have been wrong on that because Maryville out-rebounded EC 50-38 in the 2nd go-round.  Eureka played a lot of zone defense, which may have contributed to Maryville's alarming number of offensive boards (20).

Maryville took a 3 point lead early in the 2nd half, but Eureka scored the next 11 points and led by at least 5 the rest of the way. EC had 2 leads as high as 13 points coming with 7:00 and 1:44 to play.

Zasada was in foul trouble most of the game, but finished with 13 and 10. Kameron Bell had 15 pts and 8 reb. Eureka was 7-16 on 3-pointers in the 2nd half, while MU was 2-16. Aside from a slim Eureka advantage in turnovers, that was the difference.  Gruenewald had 17 points to lead Maryville.  If I'm not mistaken, all 5 starters for Maryville in this game were not on the team last season (Winters, Simmons, Dulle, Greuenewald and Nehm). Seems strange for a team that was a bucket away from the NCAA tournament. Makes you wonder how much the influence of their move to Division II is really having.

After all that's happened, it doesn't seem like EC should have to win at Westminster and beat Mac just to get in the tournament. Eureka has had ZERO luck against the Blue Jays in recent years.