MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[HCACBBALL]

FormerSLIACCOMMISH,

$75 a ball?  Geez those things got gold in them or what? 

[I_HAD_GAME]

Sorry for the spelling in the previous post. I reading glasses would have helped.

Something else I wanted to comment on. This notion the that it was all superior talent, that carried Fontbonne to 3 NCAA trips. Did anyone see these guys as freshmen? Fournie was a transfer point guard, McCoy was a small set shooter, Stornadt was 6'6 and 175 pounds and I don't remember much of Fogerty's play.

Coach McKinney realized Fournie was not a point and moved McCoy to the point. It wasn't till his senior year I would call McCoy a good point guard. Fournie was moved to the defensive stopper and rebounder. Give Fogerty credit for all his hard work. But he was playing in a system made for him. It produced great numbers for John Thomas and a guy named Roff before him. Storandt got stronger and was a good rebounder and not much more. I have already voiced my opinion of Mr. Branch. Foresst came in last year as an unknown, he was also a quality spot up shooter.

I get to about 10 local games a year and the last three Sliac Tournaments. I enjoy reading this chat room, but when you start running down a coach of McKinney's quality someone has to step in.

Why know mention of Coach Bunch's troubles in post season. Two years in a row he wins the conference and has the most talent. Yet, three years in a row Webster has gone one and done. At some point you have to take a look at the coaching in this situation. Coach Bunch does do a great job during conference seasons, but you have to give the coaches alot of credit or fault when it comes to tournament success.

The three Fontbonne games I've seen this year, if his players worked has hard on the floor as Coach McKinney on the sidelines, things might be looking a little different.

Just the opinion of a guy who has been around about 10 years of SLIAC Basketball.

I would not consider that superior

[hopefan]

to : I HAD GAME

First of all, first time I saw your moniker  -   it cracked me up   -  how many of us could go by that name that post here     or maybe we should be called " I think I had game" 

I like your posts - hope you'll continue to write  -  you wrote a couple things that I agree with, a couple things not - but it's nice to have a knowlegeable SLIAC hoops person not necessarily skewed by School allegiances....

If you and Blue and yjak and sliac commish and HS pg qb would post regularly, we'll have a heck of a good room here... and yes, we'll even welcome lvuuvdagame!!

[hs_pg_qb]

Game-

I'm relatively new being involved with D3 hoops...  I admit I'm not knowledgeable to the deeper aspects of what it takes to be a good coach overall.  I don't want anyone to think I am in any way "running down" Coach M.  Obviously, with the number of wins he has, he must be doing something right.

I do not go into the depth of background as say Hope, fcnews and others do, so your points of the development of the seniors from last year are well taken and appreciated.  My observations and statements reflect my perspective of watching FU play the last two years only, which I agree, may be a little narrow-minded 

[theoneandonly]

Can someone fill me in.. what the heck has happened to Fontbonne, I just saw they got whipped by Lincoln Christian on Saturday 101 - 84.. What is the deal?

[hs_pg_qb]

Can someone fill me in.. what the heck has happened to Fontbonne, I just saw they got whipped by Lincoln Christian on Saturday 101 - 84.. What is the deal?

In my opinion, FU desperatley needs a big man that is even a "semi" threat around the hole. 

[ec_fan14]

Prin at Eureka was about exciting as it was going to be.  Eureka jumped out to a huge lead in the 1st half and cruised to a 20 point win.  Everyone of the red devils saw minutes which was good for some of the younger guys.

Bell- Triple Double.  IDK if i've ever seen one before.  but if he continues to move the ball the way he did it could make him that much more of a threat.  of course it helps when your team shoots 65% from the floor.

Zasada was on fire 9-10 from the floor as well as Kindred 6-7 (did not start bc of his ankle but this could be the best hes been all year) Wagner 6-6 and Leppard 5-8.

Greenville beats Webster wednesday.  then turns around and loses to Blackburn on saturday.  doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me   .  Westminster beats Webster as thought.  Really gives them an advantage over the rest of the field going undefeated in the 1st half of conf play.  Mac gets a solid win against Spalding to keep them ahead of the rest.


In regards to Coach McKinney,  I think he has to have been doing something right in the last 3 years to have won the Conf Tournament.  Superior talent maybe, but that only takes you so far.  Coaching can win and lose a lot of games and in his case hes won 750.

As to FU Lincoln Christian score, Lincoln Christian gave Eureka all the could handle.  It'd be nice to see them still in the SLIAC.  I think they could fight for that 4th spot.

Another name to watch for NOY - Blackburns Todd West

[hopefan]

EC 14   Good point about Todd West.....   He's had some very good games.....   Unfortunately, when BC played Webster earlier in the year, he was an unknown, and he had an absolute nothing of a game  -  2 points in 33 minutes.... so at this stage, I couldn't even ID him......   but I agree, he's another candidate, though in reality after seeing Westmin 2 times recently, I'm snowed by their two frosh.

EC needs to have their SID do a little with D3Hoops.... I'm sure Pat would have made mention of the triple double if he had been informed.....

[Gregory Sager]

In regards to Coach McKinney,  I think he has to have been doing something right in the last 3 years to have won the Conf Tournament.  Superior talent maybe, but that only takes you so far.  Coaching can win and lose a lot of games and in his case hes won 750.

Again, why is coaching ability considered to be something completely separate from recruiting ability? Recruiting is part of the job of coaching, especially at the D3 level where coaching staffs have limited size and time resources, and head coaches have to assume much of the burden of direct contact with, and wooing of, prospects (if not most or all of it). Even at the D1 level, where there are several full-time assistants whose primary task is to handle the recruiting, you can argue that recruiting is still a major function of the head coach, because the head coach is ultimately responsible for who signs those letters of intent and who doesn't, and because he has the capacity to hire and fire those assistants who are doing the heavy lifting in the recruiting department.

Several times in this room people have tried to denigrate Coach McKinney by downplaying his coaching and by attributing all of Fontbonne's recent success to its talent level. (I'm not necessarily accusing you of doing that, ec_fan.) Hel-lo, people ... who do you think got those players into Fontbonne uniforms in the first place? Chuck Berry? August A. Busch IV? Albert Pujols?

Recruiting is part of coaching. Many coaches would argue that it's the largest part. You can't disparage someone's coaching at the D3 level by attributing his success to his players, because he's the one who brought in the players in the first place.

[Into_the_Blue]

If Pujols came to me and asked me to play ball in Kazakhstan Id probably do it. 

D3 schools should try to hire celebrity coaches for recruiting purposes. 

[Into_the_Blue]

Westmin wins at Webster - the game I was at - and no lengthy writeup because there is little to write about.   The game was bland and pretty devoid of emotion compared to the recent matchups I've seen, and Westmin pulled away early in the second half.   

Would you mind further explaining what you mean?  Were both teams flat?  Or both looked uninterested?  Just seems like too big of a game for both teams not to have emotion.  Or maybe thats a sign of maturity??

I can see WC's and WU's games being a little bland because of the styles they play so maybe thats what you meant...

Im not at all questioning what you saw...just wondering if you had any insight as to why both teams would be devoid of emotion?

[hopefan]

Blue  -  yes, it was a Westmin - Webster somewhat deliberate game  -  but the lack of emotion I refer to is that once Westmin got up, there seemed to be little fire in Webster to come back - Restoff, Moore, Meeh, Trippet - none seemed to get "up"   - only Jones seemed to be 'flyin'.....   and Westmin, well, with eveyone contributing  -  it just didn't pack the wollop of the Webster Gville game or eureka Westmin games I had seen recently....   Quite honestly, I told someone at the opening tap a 15 point spread for Westmin, and though the 1st half didn't look like it, I was darned close in the end.

[Into_the_Blue]

Bell- Triple Double.  IDK if i've ever seen one before.  but if he continues to move the ball the way he did it could make him that much more of a threat.  of course it helps when your team shoots 65% from the floor.

Greenville beats Webster wednesday.  then turns around and loses to Blackburn on saturday.  doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me   .  

Westminster beats Webster as thought.  Really gives them an advantage over the rest of the field going undefeated in the 1st half of conf play.  

If Bell can continue to play like that, he'd probably warrant a first team selection.  Triple doubles are pretty serious in college.  You said it best, everyone has to be playing well for someone to pull one off but that player definitely has to do about everything right that night.  Bell needs to have a great night against a SLIAC tourney contender to solidify his first team campaign (IMO).  But its more about winning than stats so hopefully thats what keeps driving Eureka.  

Does the SLIAC ever really make sense?  Im sure a lot of us will check scores on here throughout the next four weeks and be shaking our heads.  I like the road teams to give the home teams all they want this whole week, because that would only make sense in the non-sensical SLIAC.  

WC does hold a nice advantage.  But Eureka has 5 out its last 8 conference games at home and I like its away schedule.  @Greenville, @Prin and @Spalding.  
Im thinking WC at EC Feb 20 could be a huge game in the standings....

[Into_the_Blue]

Blue  -  yes, it was a Westmin - Webster somewhat deliberate game  -  but the lack of emotion I refer to is that once Westmin got up, there seemed to be little fire in Webster to come back - Restoff, Moore, Meeh, Trippet - none seemed to get "up"   - only Jones seemed to be 'flyin'.....   and Westmin, well, with eveyone contributing  -  it just didn't pack the wollop of the Webster Gville game or eureka Westmin games I had seen recently....   Quite honestly, I told someone at the opening tap a 15 point spread for Westmin, and though the 1st half didn't look like it, I was darned close in the end.

I see what youre saying.

So WC kind of jumped on and stayed on them early.  Nothing is more degrading than feeling like everyone on the other team is able to beat you. 

Hopefully, for Websters sake, they find a way to turn it around this week.  Big games in Carlinville and vs. Mac. 

[doolittledog]

Hopefully someone on here can help me out.  How long has Webster U. had athletics?  I was 14 when my family moved out of Webster Groves in 1982 and I have no memories of Webster having an athletic program.  Of course, they were still called Webster College then.  When did they change to Webster University?