MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Denny McKinney]

Thank You Sir. +1k for your troubles. I know Anderson is under 200. They could end up 19-2 in the South. 20-3 DIII Only. I wonder if that would get them regionally ranked?

[hopefan]

Question to those who may know: In Region Games?

This is pure speculation. But, I was looking at Spalding's schedule and Results. They are in the South Region.
Four games in question. 1 pt Loss @ Transy (12-4), 2 pt Loss @ Thomas More (14-3), 6 pt Loss vs Dickinson (12-4) and Win at Anderson. Are any of these considered in region games?
9 points from some big wins.
When are first regional rankings.

It's been a couple years and I just need refreshing. Thanks in advance

I think if the other school is within 200 miles it is also considered in region, so Transy & Thomas More would be. Not sure how far Anderson & Dickinson are from Spalding.

A third factor that comes into play is that there is a geographic distribution of states that are considered in region  (so I'm not talking either the regional lineup or the 200 mile rule).. it's very possible that Indiana and Kentucky are in the same geographical region therefore it's a regional game...  HOWEVER, I just thought of, and checked.. the schedules posted on this site show if a game is in region.. go to Spalding's schedule.. the Anderson game is indicated as in region (likely for the reason I mentioned), the Dickinson game is not....

I found the definition of regional on D3hoops FAQS section

A game can be classified as regional in any of three ways.

Both teams are full Division III members (or third- or fourth-year provisional members) and:

1) are in the same Division III member conference or same region as defined by the appropriate Division III basketball committee. That list of regions is listed under the Teams drop-down menu at the top of this page.
(Note also, that games within a conference are regional games even if the teams are in different regions)

2) The teams are within 200 miles of each other via the NCAA's approved mapping software.

3) The teams are within the same NCAA administrative region. Those regions are defined below.

Region 1: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont.

Region 2: New York, Pennsylvania.

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Region 4: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

If the teams are in the same region by any one of these three definitions, it is a regional game.

[hopefan]

So how does Mac beat Spalding

Darn, I'm not sure....
I know the pervasive attitude is let McAfee get his points, hold off everyone else..

but everyone else is pretty good.....

My attitude is Mac has to have a big game offensively, and limit Spalding to one shot per trip, as well as make it as difficult as possible on Spaldings low post game... primarily Jametrius Brasher....  I'm not too confident that Whitlock or Busch can do that... it all rests on Brady Slagle's shoulders... or.. if Dylan Burton could really fire up and offer about 25 minutes of solid activity on the boards...  Through the process of elimination, I think Dylan Guthrie needs to have a big offensive game... Best doesn't look for scoring, and if Spalding guards Bishop tightly, he can't get shots... Guthrie needs to provide the outside scoring, along with spencer Pratt, who can get to the line...

I'm going, but I'm not real confident I'm going to see the upset.... of course, coulda said the same thing regarding Webster at Westmin....       Go Mac!!!

[Pat Coleman]

Question to those who may know: In Region Games?

This is pure speculation. But, I was looking at Spalding's schedule and Results. They are in the South Region.
Four games in question. 1 pt Loss @ Transy (12-4), 2 pt Loss @ Thomas More (14-3), 6 pt Loss vs Dickinson (12-4) and Win at Anderson. Are any of these considered in region games?
9 points from some big wins.
When are first regional rankings.

It's been a couple years and I just need refreshing. Thanks in advance

Easy enough to just look at our schedule page and see what is marked in-region.

[Denny McKinney]

Thanks All. So Spalding could be 19-2 in region at the end of the season. That may get them a good match up. Transy and T. More losses are killers.

[hopefan]

One other thought for today... best of luck to both teams in the Fontbonne-Webster game tonight... men's game as well as the ladies....  I think so highly of both programs... hope both games are one pointers with all heroes, no goats... slays me I have to miss it, but I'm gonna go north... Yjak, I'll try to call, but last time I was in Jacksonville I got no phone signal at all......

[Denny McKinney]

Went to Webster tonite to see a basketball game. Instead I saw a track meet. Got to see good friends YJak and Coach Bunch. Good first half for FU with scoring from the paint. Second half they went away from it. FU kids play extremely hard. They just have a real hard time shooting it. WU's Robinson and Smith are great athletes. Had a good time in the 'OL Gorlok Dome. Thanks Yjak.

[WUPHF]

Went to Webster tonite to see a basketball game. Instead I saw a track meet.

Whatever it was, it was very fun to watch.  How about the play in which Gentry knocked the ball loose at mid court and a diving Zach Carel started a sequence in which several players were diving all over the place, and in the end, Carel comes up with the ball?  Awesome, baby!

The game was tied 40-39 at the half, but Webster pushed the lead before Fontbonne had a good run midway through the second.  Fontbonne had far too many turnovers (usually on bad passes inside) down the stretch to keep up with Webster who shot for 55 percent from the field in the second. 

Great crowd with lots of Fontbonne fans in attendance.

[hopefan]

Well, the report from up north is not what most people wanted to read...  Mac ended up getting buried in the last 10 minutes of the game and losing 76-57...

Spalding simply looked like the better team throughout.. even though Mac tied it midway through the 2nd half... Spalding had a large number of hoops in the paint, easy wide open hoops off great ball movement.. Mac had to work for everything they got...

In my preliminary writeup, I commented that the thought is to give Mcafee his points, stop everyone else..
GET THIS.. Spaldings 3 best players, McAfee, Cutsinger, and Brasher had 2 points between them at half... and Spalding was still leading 42-33 at half!!!  They are incredibly DEEP... Their quickness constantly beat Mac, yet with that quickness and penetration to the basket, they had only 6 turnovers all night.. only 2 in the first half..
And though their outside shooting was off for the first 30 minutes of the game, all they had to do was push the ball inside and they still scored...

Mac started the game like a ball of fire, up 10-2 with two long 3 pointers from Luke Bishop, but Spalding had it tied at 12-12.. close for 15 minutes, then Spalding pulled away to a 9 point lead at half..led by Dominique Sangster with 13 and Will Barber with 8.. as mentioned before, the big 3 of McAfee, Cutsinger, and Brasher had 2 points total at half..

At the start of the 2nd half, Spalding couldn't buy a hoop, very much forsaking the inside game for perimeter shots that wouldn't fall, and although Mac wasn't exactly burning the nets, they caught Spalding at 42-42 with about 13 minutes left... that's right, Spalding went the 1st 7 minutes scoreless.... At that point Brasher got the ball low and had a big dunk, and Mac was never tied again... Then with about 8 minutes left and the margin still at single digits, McAfee, with only two points shooting about 1 for 10, found the range and made 5 of 6 shots, several 3's, and it was all over....

Mac was no match
Clayton Whitlock simply not aggressive enough offensively.. same move every time in the paint.. where is a 'skyhook' shovel shot going the other way?  He gets the ball within 10 feet of the basket and passes it out?
Slagle worked very hard, but no match
Burton simply not the athleticism leaper he used to be, assumedly due to bum ankle.. 15-17 foot fadeaways aren't going in too often
Bishop nothing after the 2 early 3's
Guthrie forced penetration and ended with unmakeable forces or turnovers.
Pratt had to take over for injured Cody Best, but looked uncomfortable bringing the ball up against pressure.. I admire his hustle and scrappy style of play, but I don't see him as a point
Kollen Koeltner looked good, a couple of nice plays, still not seeing many minutes, but I'll bet it increases after last night

Very unfortunate it looked like Cody Best may have suffered serious knee injury diving for loose ball...on crutches with ice wrapped on knee after the game

Nor sure that Eureka will do much better than Mac did vs Spalding... I don't think they can match Spalding's quickness or 40 minute tempo, especially playing only 6 guys most of the game.....

SLIAC Playoffs.... Welcome to Louisville.....

Incidentally, Coach Creal mentioned to me that the Mac - Iowa Wesleyan game originally scheduled for Saturday night has been moved to Saturday afternoon at Wesleyan's request.... no doubleheader (Eureka/Mac) for the ol hopefan on Saturday...

revised hopefan standings

Standings based on 3 principles..
Teams that are contenders should not lose at Home  if they do, it is a -1
Teams that are contenders would hope to beat other contenders on the road... if they do, it is a +1
Teams that are contenders should never lose to Blackburn or Prin... if they do, it's a -1
When contenders win at home, lose on the road, or beat PRin and BC anywhere, it's = 0
Do what you are supposed to, you'll finish 10-6, with no guarantees... it's the teams that win that 1 extra game on the road, and defend home, that will finish ahead.....

Hopefan standings based on above
Spalding +2  (won at Westminster) (won at Mac)
Mac +1  (won at Eureka) (won at Webster) (lost at home to Spalding)
Eureka  +1  (lost at home vs Mac) (won at Fontbonne) (won at Greenville)
Webster +1   (won at Greenville) (lost at home vs Mac) (won at Westminster)
Westmin  0  (won at Fontbonne)  (lost at home vs Spalding)  (lost at home vs Webster) (won at Greenville)
Fontbonne -2 (lost at home vs Westminster) (lost at home vs Eureka)
Greenville  -3 (lost at home vs Webster) (lost at home vs Eureka) (lost at home vs Westmin)

[iwumichigander]

Question to those who may know: In Region Games?

This is pure speculation. But, I was looking at Spalding's schedule and Results. They are in the South Region.
Four games in question. 1 pt Loss @ Transy (12-4), 2 pt Loss @ Thomas More (14-3), 6 pt Loss vs Dickinson (12-4) and Win at Anderson. Are any of these considered in region games?
9 points from some big wins.
When are first regional rankings.

It's been a couple years and I just need refreshing. Thanks in advance

D3Hoops does a respectable job annoting 'in region' on their individual team schedules
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Spalding/men/2012-13/index Last season 1st Regional rankings were Feb 8th; not sure what scheduled date is this season.

[WUPHF]

One more thought about Webster-Fontbonne. The Webster Athletics press release on the game is entitled: Gorlocks Gallop by the Griffins. In case you were ever wondering how to describe the fictional Gorlock while running.  The old Gorlock had buffalo horns though the new mascot might be confused for a buffalo, so maybe gallop is suitable.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Question to those who may know: In Region Games?

This is pure speculation. But, I was looking at Spalding's schedule and Results. They are in the South Region.
Four games in question. 1 pt Loss @ Transy (12-4), 2 pt Loss @ Thomas More (14-3), 6 pt Loss vs Dickinson (12-4) and Win at Anderson. Are any of these considered in region games?
9 points from some big wins.
When are first regional rankings.

It's been a couple years and I just need refreshing. Thanks in advance

D3Hoops does a respectable job annoting 'in region' on their individual team schedules
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Spalding/men/2012-13/index Last season 1st Regional rankings were Feb 8th; not sure what scheduled date is this season.

February 6th will be the first of three public regional rankings... followed by the final regional ranking done on February 24th, but not released to the public.

[hopefan]

I'm changing my rules as it appears Greenville and Fontbonne will not challenge for a top 4 spot
Contenders are now viewed as Spalding, Mac, Eureka, Webster, Westminster
revised hopefan standings

Standings based on 3 principles..
Teams that are contenders should not lose at Home  if they do, it is a -1
Teams that are contenders would hope to beat other contenders on the road... if they do, it is a +1
Teams that are contenders should never lose to Greenville, Fontbonne, Blackburn or Prin... if they do, it's a -1
When contenders win at home, lose on the road, or beat Greenville, Fontbonne, Prin and BC anywhere, it's = 0
Do what you are supposed to, you'll finish 12-4, with no guarantees... it's the teams that win that 1 extra game on the road, and defend home, that will finish ahead.....

Hopefan standings based on above
Spalding +2  (won at Westminster) (won at Mac)
Mac +1  (won at Eureka) (won at Webster) (lost at home to Spalding)
Webster 0   (lost at home vs Mac) (won at Westminster)
Eureka  -1  (lost at home vs Mac)
Westmin  -2  (lost at home vs Spalding)  (lost at home vs Webster)

[Titan Q]

I'm changing my rules as it appears Greenville and Fontbonne will not challenge for a top 4 spot
Contenders are now viewed as Spalding, Mac, Eureka, Webster, Westminster
revised hopefan standings

Standings based on 3 principles..
Teams that are contenders should not lose at Home  if they do, it is a -1
Teams that are contenders would hope to beat other contenders on the road... if they do, it is a +1
Teams that are contenders should never lose to Greenville, Fontbonne, Blackburn or Prin... if they do, it's a -1
When contenders win at home, lose on the road, or beat Greenville, Fontbonne, Prin and BC anywhere, it's = 0
Do what you are supposed to, you'll finish 12-4, with no guarantees... it's the teams that win that 1 extra game on the road, and defend home, that will finish ahead.....

Hopefan standings based on above
Spalding +2  (won at Westminster) (won at Mac)
Mac +1  (won at Eureka) (won at Webster) (lost at home to Spalding)
Webster 0   (lost at home vs Mac) (won at Westminster)
Eureka  -1  (lost at home vs Mac)
Westmin  -2  (lost at home vs Spalding)  (lost at home vs Webster)

Getting complicated, Hopefan!

[Denny McKinney]

Thank you Pat, IWUM and Dave. Been a little while. My hopes for a ranked SLIAC team probably went out the window today. EC gets big homecourt win over Spalding. Besides SC's Kinney getting a hot couple of minutes, it was the worst I've seen SC shoot it. Props to a good EC squad. EC opened it up to I believe 15 in the 2nd. Before Spalding got it back to 3 but know closer. EC has every right to think they can win this in Louisville. But, I do not think Spalding can have a worst shooting game. I'm still on the Spalding Bandwagon. It was my call early.