MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[y_jack_lok]

So an "outside" shot would be 15+ feet. A respectable 3 point percentage would be 37% and up, and a respectable overall outside shooting percentage would be what -- 45% and up?

[hopefan]

I would think that's reasonable... but the 2 point shooting, you obviously see higher % as your game gets closer to the basket....  45% for player x who shoots mostly 15 to 20 ft jumpshots might be pretty decent.... but for player Y who is taking a majority of shots  15 feet and in, and not having shots where he is getting fouled count as fga unless they are made, 50% up may very well be expected....  for instance, looking at top 10 % shooters fg% (all fga), in SLIAC last year, 8 of 10 are clearly inside players, 9 of 10 if you call Rucker an inside player

[y_jack_lok]

Yes, it would be hard, perhaps impossible, to calculate a 2 point shooting percentage just for shots taken from 15 feet out to the 3 point line. And from what I saw of Rucker last season, he wouldn't qualify as a big, inside man, but he was definitely most effective scoring around the basket, especially getting a board and putting the ball back in the hoop.

[Denny McKinney]

Yjak - I may have a shaded version. But, 3 pt% I draw the line 40% as Green Light. Interior it would be 50 %. The WU game I saw I thought Smith had a nice shot. Hit big 3's and looked comfortable doing it. A summer of 100 shots a day, he could play the SG for me. Not a lot of Chris Forrest's out there who will shoot 61% from a wing player, like '09. Huskey should be in the upper 50's minium. He and Griffith have games that could very easily compliment each other. Huskey on the block and Griffith at PF. Aaron is not as physical on the block, but has great touch around the basket.

Please tell Hollis and Smith to pick their spots wisely, when getting into the paint. All they do is bring defenders and congestion into Huskey and Griffith's office.

Rucker for FU needs an 8' leash connected to the basket. That's all the further he needs to be from the basket when he puts one up. But, as of today he is their PF.

If you can't shoot near 40% and up as any player, you need to take up tennis. 

My Pops used to say, "Defense is over rated. If I score 80. All I need is a few speed bumps on defense to win." Fournie, Storandt, Dressler.... all good speed bumps. Haha

example of what I'm looking at: WU had a senior last year, who had 337 fga (4-18 3's), so he shot 319 times inside 15ft or 12ft. But, only shot 46.5%. Huskey had 600 minutes playing time and shot 64%, but only 130 fga. That doesn't look like a proper distribution. The senior was one of 3 SLIAC guards I'd a used a one man zone.

There were two other plays that got over 200 fga.? In fact he was 6th in attempts with 50 fewer then #5. Huskey was 2nd in the Conference. by 1% to Bascher who had 200 Fga.

Jared Huskey has had the size for 3 years to be special. I've waited. Much bigger then Fogerty. Good Foot Work. Brian only shot 59%. But he got 355 fga., 200 made. Does the Kid have the game he's been projected to have? Or is it just a victim of the new style of Basketball? I'd like to see the player that has to be double teamed in Conference. The double teamed allowed Forrest to shoot 61% from field and 54% from 3's on 250 attempts.

My projections for success: Huskey 20 and 10. Griffith 15 and 10.

[Denny McKinney]

Tough place for getting a discussion started. Or I'm a convo killer.

[hopefan]

My projections for success: Huskey 20 and 10. Griffith 15 and 10.

No offense to anyone, but that thought reminded me of a number of oldie but goodies

"All I need is a miracle"    Mike and the Mechanics
"Wishin and Hopin"  Dusty Springfield
"It's A Miracle"  Barry Manilow
" Miracles"  Jefferson Starship
"In Dreams"  Roy Orbinson
"All I gotta do is dream"  Everly Brothers

And Coach Bunch would be singin'....   "I'm Bad to the Bone"               

It just isn't going to happen Denny... Griffin not playing for a year and inconsistent might hit that some night, but not average that... and Huskey, I don't think he's EVER had a 20 and 10 night...

And your comparison of huskey to the Wash U kid (Klimek) show what I mentioned earlier... Your % goes up as you get closer to the basket... Huskey's ONLY shots are within10, even 8 feet of the basket... they are all short 'shovel shots", hooks, reverses, layups... rarely a 10 foot jump shot... he was not the go to guy... he was a third or 4th option... Klimek was THE go to guy.. lot of layups sure, but lots of 15-18 foot jumpshots... and he wasn't as tall or  taller than everyone else like Huskey is.....   

I would settle for 25 ppg and 15 rpg between the two of them

25 for those two, 16 for smith, 12 for Zehner, 8 for Edwards  10 from the bench     

[Denny McKinney]

Yjak - I may have a shaded version. But, 3 pt% I draw the line 40% as Green Light. Interior it would be 50 %. The WU game I saw I thought Smith had a nice shot. Hit big 3's and looked comfortable doing it. A summer of 100 shots a day, he could play the SG for me. Not a lot of Chris Forrest's out there who will shoot 61% from a wing player, like '09. Huskey should be in the upper 50's minium. He and Griffith have games that could very easily compliment each other. Huskey on the block and Griffith at PF. Aaron is not as physical on the block, but has great touch around the basket.

Please tell Hollis and Smith to pick their spots wisely, when getting into the paint. All they do is bring defenders and congestion into Huskey and Griffith's office.

Rucker for FU needs an 8' leash connected to the basket. That's all the further he needs to be from the basket when he puts one up. But, as of today he is their PF.

If you can't shoot near 40% and up as any player, you need to take up tennis. 

My Pops used to say, "Defense is over rated. If I score 80. All I need is a few speed bumps on defense to win." Fournie, Storandt, Dressler.... all good speed bumps. Haha

example of what I'm looking at: WU had a senior last year, who had 337 fga (4-18 3's), so he shot 319 times inside 15ft or 12ft. But, only shot 46.5%. Huskey had 600 minutes playing time and shot 64%, but only 130 fga. That doesn't look like a proper distribution. The senior was one of 3 SLIAC guards I'd a used a one man zone.

There were two other plays that got over 200 fga.? In fact he was 6th in attempts with 50 fewer then #5. Huskey was 2nd in the Conference. by 1% to Bascher who had 200 Fga.

Jared Huskey has had the size for 3 years to be special. I've waited. Much bigger then Fogerty. Good Foot Work. Brian only shot 59%. But he got 355 fga., 200 made. Does the Kid have the game he's been projected to have? Or is it just a victim of the new style of Basketball? I'd like to see the player that has to be double teamed in Conference. The double teamed allowed Forrest to shoot 61% from field and 54% from 3's on 250 attempts.

My projections for success: Huskey 20 and 10. Griffith 15 and 10.

What Wash U player did I ever mention? Why can't Huskey be a 20 and 10? And, actually he was 6th option. How does that happen?

[Titan Q]

Why can't Huskey be a 20 and 10?

I certainly don't know anything about Jarrod Huskey, but I'd just say that it's extremely rare for anyone to average 20 & 10.

Of all the thousands of Division III men's basketball players in 2012-13, only 31 averaged 20.0+ points...and only 30 averaged 10.0+ rebounds.  And there were just 3 who did both (averaged 20 & 10):
   - Taylor Hall (Bethel), 21.8/10.0
   - Bashir Hudson (Wheelock), 20.1/11.0
   - Ben Johnson (Maine-Farmington), 20.0/10.4


Three...that's it for all of Division III. 

You are throwing out some crazy lofty numbers, Denny.

[Denny McKinney]

Your probably right Q. The Bar is a little High. 16 and 8. I thought he had the body to dominate. A lot bigger then Fogerty. Point is he does not get the opportunity. +1K for the info. Heck it's a great day +K's are on me. Brian Fogerty's SR. was more lofty then I thought 19.8 and 10.4. Along with this years EC Mark Lessen 19.7 and 9.8.

[Denny McKinney]

I thought Hopefan might wander by and explain the Wash U confusion. I was comparing Huskey to on of his team mates.

[hopefan]

Denny... when I saw WU, I immediately thought Wash U and Klimek... but you were talking Webster U and Robinson.... you can take my comments and substitute Robinson in for Klimek..  the point I was making is that different roles lead to different stats.... 

[y_jack_lok]

Denny... when I saw WU, I immediately thought Wash U and Klimek... but you were talking Webster U and Robinson.... you can take my comments and substitute Robinson in for Klimek..  the point I was making is that different roles lead to different stats....

Well, their shooting ranges might be similar, statistically, but otherwise Klimek and Robinson are incredibly different types of players and their roles on their respective teams were also quite different. In other words, I guess you are saying that Klimek's role was different from Huskey's just as Robinson's role is different from Huskey's, right? But I think that's where any similarity between Klimek and Robinson ends.

[Denny McKinney]

I have no idea who Kimlik is. I do no that Robinson's only role was to shoot way to much for a guy who was basically shooting from same distances as Huskey. How do you not get Jarred more shots? Why isn't he used like Lessen or Hoggatt. It's not lack of playing time. Robinson and FU's gentry would see the same defense. Put their man in the paint and only guard him when they head for the hole. Both are terrible shooters out side 10 ft. Difference Robinson realized it. Only 18 3pt attempts. Gentry just kept firing in up. MU Jarred McKoy and GC Bryson Taylor were the same way. Don't guard them on perimeter. And make them pay for coming into the paint.

Seems WU just gave up on Huskey. Poor kid. I wouldn't run the floor that many minutes knowing Full well you ain't seeing the ball. Wasted the kids career potential. I know a system he could of played in.

WU will be better without Robiinson and FU without Gentry.

[y_jack_lok]

Denny, I think Huskey was helped tremendously as freshman because Willie Trimble was on that team. Trimble could penetrate so well and if he didn't draw the defense he could score and if he did draw the defense he could dish to Huskey who could get a hoop. While Webster has had a number of good guards the last two years, none required the same amount of defensive attention that Trimble did, so I think that's one reason it was harder for Huskey to score as a sophomore and junior.

[hopefan]

I will say that I thought Huskey was much for active the second part of this past season... started showing signs of returning to the form he showed freshman year....  Yjack, yes, that is the point I was making, that either Klimek or Robinson's roles were far different from Huskey's...

Denny.. you're making a lot of pretty pointed statements for having seen these kids in one or two games all year the last two years; perhaps you should attempt to attend a few more games this year to expand your breadth of knowledge...  and Denny, you rip me for not immediately responding to anything you write, then hit me with negative karma when I do respond... That's a good way to get totally ignorred, which would be a shame because we do see things in different ways and are willing to express our thoughts... if you want open discourse, you need to lighten up...