MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Joevegas]

I only said what I had heard.  But with respect to Guinn.  He never truely got a fair shot after his injury. Tucker was never a starter at Gorman so it's tough to say what he could do in the future.   Quinn played and started every game on a top 10 team. Blame the coach on that   It's his job and I know the kid to be a good kid.  Shafer had the talent this year.  He just was not ready to be a head coach.  But I do agree with u on all these kids should stay another year and see what happens.  A good coach and the players returning would make FU a good team. 

[BunchTime]

Ypsi, I am not saying you called it either of those but many of the folks on the CCIW board are suggesting or implying that since both were obviously bad calls, they "evened out." 

[hopefan]

I feel so bad if Schafer resigned today... Young guy who is in a perfect position to make an impact...

[Denny McKinney]

I spoke to someone who has called college ball for 20 years: He watched last :30. He said the in - bound pass situation. His response was Ref out possession. Either way you don't make that call their because Webster did not gain an advantage in anyway. No Call. I said advantage? He said like the 50/50 over the back rebound play. When it goes out of bounce. They give the guy with inside position the ball. If the coach argues who touched it last. He gets. Would you rather I call a foul on your player. He watched the .03 second call shook his dead and said, No Comment.

This was just one take on how officials look at things. He also said the Ref in the C position was side line on side that was not screened. He could of made the call and didn't choose to do so.

This is just for reading purpose. I've moved on from that game. I see those plays in my sleep. Happens all the time and that's ok. It is what is. Like it or find something else.

[hopefan]

Denny.. can you get a confirmation or denial on Schaefer...

[Denny McKinney]

Hopefan- I have not read that anywhere. This is either false. Or, there will be a release.

[Gregory Sager]

Denny, I think it is unanimous that we would ALL like to see better officiating.

I think it is also unanimous that that the call at :03 was questionable at best; flat-out wrong at worst.

But to essentially everyone but you, it is also obvious that Webster should not have had the ball, due to the blatant (to everyone but you) in-bounds violation by Webster at :08.  (How the last 8 seconds would have unspooled in a parallel universe with perfect officiating, we will never know.)

Let's not forget even if the inbounds play were called this would still be a better scenario for Webster and one Coach Bunch would have gladly traded for the Huskey call for.  At worst, Webster would have the ball with about 7 seconds left down 3 with an opportunity at a game tying 3 and at best down 1 with the chance for the win. In any scenario, Webster still has the ball and is afforded the opportunity at a shot.  So, to call this a "evening out" situation or "swapping" calls situation is a ridiculous assertion.

Note that I didn't call it either of those, I said 'we will never know'.

And, yes, that would have been better for Webster, but since IWU would have certainly tried to inbound to Nelson, that is certainly 2 FTs made, or even an and-one or a 3-and-one.  I can't recall the last time Nelson missed a FT at the end of a game.

You can't assume that Nelson would've been the recipient of the throw-in, Chuck. The Gorloks would've had some say in that. The Webster coaching staff was very much aware of whom they'd rather have at the line among the Titans, and would've set up the inbounds defense accordingly. Perhaps the Titans might've freed Nelson up with a screen, perhaps not. We'll never know. All we can know for certain is that your second use of the word "certainly" was a heckuva lot less certain than your first use of that word.

[AO]

I spoke to someone who has called college ball for 20 years: He watched last :30. He said the in - bound pass situation. His response was Ref out possession. Either way you don't make that call their because Webster did not gain an advantage in anyway. No Call. I said advantage? He said like the 50/50 over the back rebound play. When it goes out of bounce. They give the guy with inside position the ball. If the coach argues who touched it last. He gets. Would you rather I call a foul on your player. He watched the .03 second call shook his dead and said, No Comment.

This was just one take on how officials look at things. He also said the Ref in the C position was side line on side that was not screened. He could of made the call and didn't choose to do so.

Can someone translate this mess?
"Ref out possession"
He gets what? 
"Over the back" is not a foul.

I hope this ref friend is not one of your preferred new refs.

[y_jack_lok]

Quinn played and started every game on a top 10 team.

Why did Quinn end up at Fontbonne and not at a D2 or D1 or NAIA school with a scholarship? Or even at a D3 school with a much better team?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi, I am not saying you called it either of those but many of the folks on the CCIW board are suggesting or implying that since both were obviously bad calls, they "evened out."

I think with the crowd noise, they were certainly not deliberate 'make-up' calls by the ref - who apparently was totally unaware of the inbound violation.

As to evening out, you may be right, though it is entirely plausible that IWU would have had a 4 (or even 5) point lead with 4-5 seconds left.

I think IWU won fair and square, but a helluva game by Webster.  We've never had a game like that from a SLIAC team - I hope future teams will take notice!

[hopefan]

Congrats to Coach Schafer.. He has taken the position of Head Basketball Coach, Head Golf Coach, Associate Athletic Director at Benedictine College in Mesa Arizona... NAIA program (scholarships) that is just starting up..... the obvious connection is that he came to Fontbonne from Benedictine College in Illinois.....

[Gregory Sager]

Congrats, Steve!

[Joevegas]

Yes.  Good luck Steve.   Fresh start will be good

[BunchTime]

Ypsi, I am not saying you called it either of those but many of the folks on the CCIW board are suggesting or implying that since both were obviously bad calls, they "evened out."

I think with the crowd noise, they were certainly not deliberate 'make-up' calls by the ref - who apparently was totally unaware of the inbound violation.

As to evening out, you may be right, though it is entirely plausible that IWU would have had a 4 (or even 5) point lead with 4-5 seconds left.

I think IWU won fair and square, but a helluva game by Webster.  We've never had a game like that from a SLIAC team - I hope future teams will take notice!

Huh? Am I missing something? How is it plausible that IWU would have a 4 or even 5 point lead? It would have been a 1, 2, or 3 point lead - depending on how many free throws the Titans hit. 

[Titan Q]

Hope Fontbonne gives Steve Schweer a look. He's going to be a really good head coach when he gets a chance.

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