MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[allamericanredhead]

Dennis, how about throwing your name into the ring for the next coach at FC?

[allamericanredhead]

A big difference Dennis with FC now and the days of "Pops" is that the new coach (will) does not control the athletic department purse strings, court practice times, travel budgets, assistant coaches pay, and every other aspect of the entrie athletic program. Let's let it go at that, but to be fair, that needs to be pointed out.

[BunchTime]

Denny, Hollander would be a good choice.  But, has he been an assistant in the CCIW?   

[hopefan]

Another name that I would consider.... Derek James... assist men's coach at  MacMurray for several years, Head Ladies coach at Mac this year...

He's probably a little too young, a little too inexperienced, but he knows the conference, and He's been mentored by Todd Creal, who's done a heck of a job at Mac....  Watch him work the sidelines.. he COACHES... just like Creal... a little fire in the belly is a good thing....

[Denny McKinney]

I coached his son Kirk. I never knew that. Thanks. At this point in time, they can hire whoever they deem qualified. It has dawned on me (duh!) it is fc's choice and I don't really care. I really don't care how the D3hoops Gang operate. I believe in AAR's posts it mentioned Elitest, before being removed. And, unlike other removed posts, no foul language. I don't care what Tom, Dick or Harry calls any GAME!!! I don't care what opinions of my Father appear on here. D3hoops seems to think they should be consulted before anything is done with rankings, seedings or even what teams.

I stood up for Coach Schaefer when JoeVegas started his BS on his handling of players. And, pulled for my good friend Coach Chris Bunch.

But, like my brother and Mom have told me. Stay off this site and let go of FU. And they are right and I'm hard headed. And, without FU, I really couldn't give squat about DIII. So no reason for being here. Hopefan - It's back to your Blog. The couple of SLIAC posters that I care about, are friends I can just go out and have a cup of coffee and catch up. AAR enjoy your spring. I hope the next coach meets your approval.

Pat, it was fun dealing with you back in the good days. Thanks for the nice articles about Dad and the FC Women's team. Appreciated. But, now you have far more important things this time of year.

"Those that can do. Those that can't are critics."

[allamericanredhead]

Take care Dennis. I liked arguing with you just like i did lee. we had some dandies over the years. you are cut from the same cloth.

[allamericanredhead]

Take care Dennis. I liked arguing with you just like i did lee. we had some dandies over the years. you are cut from the same cloth.

at the risk of being deleted again, that call aganist webster was totally bs. Considering the circumstances and the drama, to take a whole year's worth of work away from a group without giving them the chance they had earned, one shot with all the money riding on it, is disgraceful. IF THE JERSEYS HAD BEEN SWITCHED, THE CALL WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE and i challenge anyone to look me in the eye, or even better, go into the Webster locker room after the game and look their players in the eye; and tell me I am wrong.

[hopefan]

I coached his son Kirk. I never knew that. Thanks. At this point in time, they can hire whoever they deem qualified. It has dawned on me (duh!) it is fc's choice and I don't really care. I really don't care how the D3hoops Gang operate. I believe in AAR's posts it mentioned Elitest, before being removed. And, unlike other removed posts, no foul language. I don't care what Tom, Dick or Harry calls any GAME!!! I don't care what opinions of my Father appear on here. D3hoops seems to think they should be consulted before anything is done with rankings, seedings or even what teams.

I stood up for Coach Schaefer when JoeVegas started his BS on his handling of players. And, pulled for my good friend Coach Chris Bunch.

But, like my brother and Mom have told me. Stay off this site and let go of FU. And they are right and I'm hard headed. And, without FU, I really couldn't give squat about DIII. So no reason for being here. Hopefan - It's back to your Blog. The couple of SLIAC posters that I care about, are friends I can just go out and have a cup of coffee and catch up. AAR enjoy your spring. I hope the next coach meets your approval.

Pat, it was fun dealing with you back in the good days. Thanks for the nice articles about Dad and the FC Women's team. Appreciated. But, now you have far more important things this time of year.

"Those that can do. Those that can't are critics."

What brought this on all of a sudden?

[Gregory Sager]

I coached his son Kirk. I never knew that. Thanks. At this point in time, they can hire whoever they deem qualified. It has dawned on me (duh!) it is fc's choice and I don't really care. I really don't care how the D3hoops Gang operate. I believe in AAR's posts it mentioned Elitest, before being removed. And, unlike other removed posts, no foul language. I don't care what Tom, Dick or Harry calls any GAME!!! I don't care what opinions of my Father appear on here. D3hoops seems to think they should be consulted before anything is done with rankings, seedings or even what teams.

I stood up for Coach Schaefer when JoeVegas started his BS on his handling of players. And, pulled for my good friend Coach Chris Bunch.

But, like my brother and Mom have told me. Stay off this site and let go of FU. And they are right and I'm hard headed. And, without FU, I really couldn't give squat about DIII. So no reason for being here. Hopefan - It's back to your Blog. The couple of SLIAC posters that I care about, are friends I can just go out and have a cup of coffee and catch up. AAR enjoy your spring. I hope the next coach meets your approval.

Pat, it was fun dealing with you back in the good days. Thanks for the nice articles about Dad and the FC Women's team. Appreciated. But, now you have far more important things this time of year.

"Those that can do. Those that can't are critics."

What brought this on all of a sudden?

Somebody disagreed with him. Same old, same old.

He'll go away and sulk for awhile, but he'll be back eventually.

I feel for you, hopefan, because one thing that Denny does is keep this room lively, and I know how you're always trying to drum up posting interest in here. But if it's any consolation, I think that this could be a more post-worthy off-season for the SLIAC than most. Webster's obviously on the verge of doing something really impressive, and Fontbonne's coaching change should be a worthwhile topic of conversation, too.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager, serious question and no snark intended: What did NPU see in Slyder?  Were there not better candidates available? Disclaimer: I only read his bio and saw his record as head coach at Anderson, which was 18 games above .500. You take out his 09-10 season, and he was .500. Now, maybe he turns it around at NPU, but you can't tell me NPU wouldn't be better served to hire a guy with Chicago ties, even if he came from the high school ranks. No?

It's not really a SLIAC topic, but since you've asked ...

You have to look at a coach's record within the larger context of his school and his league. Anderson was a dog of a program long before Tom was hired there as coach. That HCAC title in 2009-10 was the first and only title that the Ravens have won since the league started as the ICAC back in '87, and their appearance in the D3 tourney that March is the only trip to the dance that the Ravens have ever made. He's Anderson's most successful coach ever.

One thing at which he specialized at Anderson was working with student-athletes from the inner city. Indianapolis was one of his primary recruiting grounds -- none of the other HCAC schools work Indy as a recruiting turf, as far as I know -- so he's developed a good feel for working with kids who come out of underprivileged urban situations. Those kinds of kids have always been an important part of the NPU men's basketball program. Plus, Anderson and North Park share a lot of common traits in terms of their institutional backgrounds, belief systems, and Christian mission.

NPU did not look at the high-school ranks for a coach. As was reflected in yesterday's discussion here, NPU's athletic director posted job requirements that included a minimum of five years' coaching experience in the college ranks, although head-coaching experience at the college level was not a requirement. There was no shortage of applicants.

It's true that Tom did not have ties to the Chicago area -- and I think that his first couple of years at North Park have reflected a learning curve as far as getting to know the school's basketball recruiting terrain is concerned. But that sort of thing diminishes with time. North Central head coach Todd Raridon had no knowledge of Chicagoland recruiting whatsoever when NCC hired him in the spring of 2004; he had spent his entire playing and coaching career in the state of Nebraska. But it's obvious from looking at what NCC has done over the past decade that he's gotten up to speed. It certainly helps that Tom's full-time assistant coach and recruiting coordinator is Cordell Henry, who starred on the 1997-98 Illinois state champion Whitney Young team alongside future NBA star Quentin Richardson and who later was a standout guard for Marquette and a teammate of Dwyane Wade. He has a consummate knowledge of Chicagoland basketball and increases NPU's credibility on the recruiting trail.

So, no, I'm not convinced that hiring someone with Chicagoland ties would've necessarily been the best move for North Park. It certainly would've been an asset, but I don't think that familiarity with the local high-school scene is the top requirement that makes for a successful coach. Drawing this conversation back to the SLIAC, I would say in a similar vein that I don't think a familiarity with Greater St. Louis and far downstate Illinois should be the primary consideration for Fontbonne in the hiring process, either. Again, it helps ... but it's not the most important thing. You need look no further than your own Chris Bunch for proof of that. Before he came to Webster, his entire career had been spent in his native Tennessee.

And, no, this is not a back-door solicitation for Fontbonne to go looking for a CCIW assistant. I don't know why you guys have gotten so worked up about that! One name was suggested -- the name of a coach who doesn't even work in the CCIW anymore -- and then that whole thing got blown out of proportion. And the coach who just departed Fontbonne entered your league from (what is now called) the NACC, not from the CCIW.

[WUPHF]

Drawing this conversation back to the SLIAC, I would say in a similar vein that I don't think a familiarity with Greater St. Louis and far downstate Illinois should be the primary consideration for Fontbonne in the hiring process, either. Again, it helps ... but it's not the most important thing.

I would agree that a familiarity with St. Louis and downstate Illinois should not be the primary factor, but I do think it is obviously more important at some institutions than others.

Webster admissions, for example, successfully recruits on a national scope; especially for the art and theatre programs.  I think there basketball program can do the same to a greater extent that Fontbonne.

I don't know why you guys have gotten so worked up about that! One name was suggested -- the name of a coach who doesn't even work in the CCIW anymore -- and then that whole thing got blown out of proportion.

I may have missed a post, but the only one who got worked up was the one who just up and quit the forum.  I am not sure he counts.

[Gregory Sager]

Drawing this conversation back to the SLIAC, I would say in a similar vein that I don't think a familiarity with Greater St. Louis and far downstate Illinois should be the primary consideration for Fontbonne in the hiring process, either. Again, it helps ... but it's not the most important thing.

I would agree that a familiarity with St. Louis and downstate Illinois should not be the primary factor, but I do think it is obviously more important at some institutions than others.

Webster admissions, for example, successfully recruits on a national scope; especially for the art and theatre programs.  I think there basketball program can do the same to a greater extent that Fontbonne.

That's a good point, WUH, and it does seem as though Webster brings in more men's basketball players from outside Greater STL and far downstate IL than does Fontbonne, although the vast majority of them are still from within 100 miles or so of the Gateway Arch. It's even more true for the roster of Webster's very successful baseball program, on which suburban Chicagolanders have a prominent presence. Other WU sports, however, such as men's soccer, seem to be very local-oriented in terms of their rosters.

I don't know why you guys have gotten so worked up about that! One name was suggested -- the name of a coach who doesn't even work in the CCIW anymore -- and then that whole thing got blown out of proportion.

I may have missed a post, but the only one who got worked up was the one who just up and quit the forum.  I am not sure he counts.

Well, perhaps "worked up" was the wrong term for it, but even BunchTime was joking about it this morning. I get that the CCIW is the big bully in the neighborhood, and that SLIACers probably feel as though we're stepping on their toes every time that a CCIW fan posts in here. I'd probably feel the same way if the roles were reversed.

[Pat Coleman]

well this old red head must have hit a nerve by enlightening our fellow SLIAC fans of the standards of how SLIAC men's officials are chosen. Felt I was doing everyone a service with this insider info.; but see instead my posts were taken down. For see childrne, being chosen to the ranks of SLIAC officiating on the men's side had nothing to do with merit, but instead who was willing to line the right people's pockets by working free all summer at Zetch's "Officals Clinics." Rich, I got a felling you are the one who had my post removed. If what I stated is inaccurate, plesae come on here and clarify, since it went on for year's under your watch. Otherwise, supporters of the SLIAC have a right to know the truth as to why officiating in the SLIAC on the men's side has always been a farce.

Are you talking about this post? It's still here.

Without naming names, I know of one official assigner who had quite a good scam going. He got the Show Me States games to pay him $20 a game to place officials for their summer basketball events. He would then send a mass letter mailing to local HS and JH officials telling them if they wanted to work college games for him they MUST attend his Officials Clinic and pay him $150 fee for the honor of doing so. Guess what the "Officials Clinic" was? You got it, working the Show Me State Games for no pay! So if a young official wanted to get assigned college games, you had to line his pocket all summer.  I dare someone to come on here and tell me that scam didn't go on for years.

[Pat Coleman]

I coached his son Kirk. I never knew that. Thanks. At this point in time, they can hire whoever they deem qualified. It has dawned on me (duh!) it is fc's choice and I don't really care. I really don't care how the D3hoops Gang operate. I believe in AAR's posts it mentioned Elitest, before being removed. And, unlike other removed posts, no foul language. I don't care what Tom, Dick or Harry calls any GAME!!! I don't care what opinions of my Father appear on here. D3hoops seems to think they should be consulted before anything is done with rankings, seedings or even what teams.

I stood up for Coach Schaefer when JoeVegas started his BS on his handling of players. And, pulled for my good friend Coach Chris Bunch.

But, like my brother and Mom have told me. Stay off this site and let go of FU. And they are right and I'm hard headed. And, without FU, I really couldn't give squat about DIII. So no reason for being here. Hopefan - It's back to your Blog. The couple of SLIAC posters that I care about, are friends I can just go out and have a cup of coffee and catch up. AAR enjoy your spring. I hope the next coach meets your approval.

Pat, it was fun dealing with you back in the good days. Thanks for the nice articles about Dad and the FC Women's team. Appreciated. But, now you have far more important things this time of year.

"Those that can do. Those that can't are critics."

Are you talking about this post? It's ALSO still here, people.

I have been lurking most to the season, but these old bones got to get in on this one. I watched the call. HORRIBLE way for those Webster kids to end their season. No way is that call made. It was said earlier, but worth repeating, if the roles were reversed and it was the upstart trying to hold off the establishment, no way is that call made and I dare anyone to look me in the eye and tell me otherwise. BAIL OUT the big money boys. The one aspect I don't like about DIII is the elitest attitued and feelings of entitlement by the big money schools. Why late hubby and I never supported Wash U. ARROGANCE to the max.

I hope the Webster people take this to the highest level and never back down. That man should never officiate another game above the CYC level. Once again, most unfair call I have ever seen.

By the way, the word is "elitist" -- someone who is of the elite. "Elitest," if it were a word, would mean, "the most elite" but since the sound the same, the common usage there is "most elite" or "elite of the elite."

Before you complain about posts being pulled, let's make sure they have actually been pulled!

In my younger days, that in and of itself might have resulted in a suspension of posting privileges.

[Pat Coleman]

What brought this on all of a sudden?

Apparently his inability to find posts that are still on the board ...