MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[y_jack_lok]

hopefan, the below might be of interest to you. It is from the CCIW men's board.

Regarding the recent all region discussion - who actually does the voting?

Players are nominated by the SID of their school who may or may not get input from coaches.  Schools submitting multiple players can rank them indicating which player they would like to be considered first, second, etc.  Then a group of SID's from the region vote.   

If you go to the WIAC women's basketball forum there is a discussion of the process which begins on the bottom of page 347 and is continued onto page 348.   

[hopefan]

hopefan, the below might be of interest to you. It is from the CCIW men's board.

Regarding the recent all region discussion - who actually does the voting?

Players are nominated by the SID of their school who may or may not get input from coaches.  Schools submitting multiple players can rank them indicating which player they would like to be considered first, second, etc.  Then a group of SID's from the region vote.   

If you go to the WIAC women's basketball forum there is a discussion of the process which begins on the bottom of page 347 and is continued onto page 348.   

That's exactly the kind of process I was speaking of when I made my original post... Pat kind of turned it around, perhaps tongue in cheek, that I was implying 'conspiracy against the SLIAC', but I was really implying that perhaps Prin and the SLIAC didn't give Parker Davidson the push that was needed for him to get the votes, assuming his name was submitted...

Incidentally... Kayla Styles from Spalding winning the award on the ladie's side was well deserved.. 17.5 ppg, 10 rpg, Spalding wins the SLIAC Conf tourney and plays well vs Wash U....

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is no push to get a player higher in the regional results. They nominate and a group of SIDs vote. There isn't going to be any lobbying involved - nor should there be.

[hopefan]

There is no push to get a player higher in the regional results. They nominate and a group of SIDs vote. There isn't going to be any lobbying involved - nor should there be.

Word of mouth before or after the nominations HAS to play a role... it's only obvious that Wisconsin/Iowa/No Ill SIDs (voters) have no reason to have seen Prin play and had no clue what kind of player Parker Davidson is..  They are much more likely due to the geography of the region to know something about the player from Dominican

If it's straight stats, then the wrong guy got it...  If it's not a straight numbers game, then the extraneous info has to come in play... wouldn't you agree, Dave?   (And don't get mad, I'm not trying to be malicious).. just telling how I feel the decision must have been reached....

[Pat Coleman]

Word of mouth before or after the nominations HAS to play a role... it's only obvious that Wisconsin/Iowa/No Ill SIDs (voters) have no reason to have seen Prin play and had no clue what kind of player Parker Davidson is..  They are much more likely due to the geography of the region to know something about the player from Dominican

If it's straight stats, then the wrong guy got it...  If it's not a straight numbers game, then the extraneous info has to come in play... wouldn't you agree, Dave?   (And don't get mad, I'm not trying to be malicious).. just telling how I feel the decision must have been reached....

But this assumes the player in question was nominated, right?

[Gregory Sager]

There is no push to get a player higher in the regional results. They nominate and a group of SIDs vote. There isn't going to be any lobbying involved - nor should there be.

Word of mouth before or after the nominations HAS to play a role... it's only obvious that Wisconsin/Iowa/No Ill SIDs (voters) have no reason to have seen Prin play and had no clue what kind of player Parker Davidson is..  They are much more likely due to the geography of the region to know something about the player from Dominican

That's not true, hopefan. Principia played two regional D3 opponents this season in non-conference play (UW-Platteville and Millikin), and Dominican played four (Lawrence, Chicago, Greenville, and Lake Forest). But only one of Dominican's regional non-con games was played in the opponent's gym (@ Lawrence), meaning that only the Lawrence SID would have seen Tim Robertson play, while both the UW-Platteville and Millikin SIDs saw Parker Davidson play, since Principia played the Pioneers in Platteville and the Big Blue in Decatur. In other words, Robertson got no more exposure to CCIW, MWC, UAA (Chicago/Wash U), and WIAC sports information directors than did Davidson.

[hopefan]

Good point as always Greg... though it doesn't change my thoughts that there isn't some amount of lobbying that goes on in these decisions..

And Pat yes.. that assumes a nomination...and if that didn't occur, it comes right back to my whole implication of somebody at Prin, or their overseers in the SLIAC office, may have dropped the ball...

well, we'll probably never know... but fun discussion... thanks for the input guys...

[hopefan]

In the mean time Greg, use your contacts and find out for my why Deavis Johnson did not dress for MacMurray in the SLIAC Tourney.... I'm not getting a response from Mac, which doesn't bode well, but it's just totally messing with my mind... I was totally snowed by the kid, the way he played, his apparently quiet, stoic demeanor.  I was very impressed with his play.

[Pat Coleman]

Good point as always Greg... though it doesn't change my thoughts that there isn't some amount of lobbying that goes on in these decisions..

SIDs don't know who the voters are, which is by design, and one Central Region voter might not even know who the others are.

This is by design, just like the Top 25, so that voters are not subject to lobbying, from this board or from elsewhere.

[CCIWbballfan]

hopefan, I don't have any info on why Johnson sat out the tournament but I do know that he has had discipline issues in the past at Millikin which contributed to his departure and transfer.  He is an amazing talent and has huge potential to improve beyond where he is even now.  He didn't start playing organized basketball until his Jr or Sr year of high school. I hope he gets it figured out. I think he's a good kid overall, he just needs to clean up his act a little and get focused on what is important.

[Gregory Sager]

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I've heard the same things about Deavis Johnson from unimpeachable sources.

[hopefan]

Heard some disturbing 'stuff' today, most of which will not be confirmed until next fall when we see who comes back to SLIAC schools..

One piece of disappointing news, but in no way reflection of anything negative, is that during Fontbonne's senior night, 3rd year students Darius Rucker and Blake Welsh were recognized as Graduates and playing their final basketball for Fontbonne.  This is because they are both in 3-2 programs and will be completing their final two years at another school.  Now, I'm not sure if they can play a year at that school, or, if that school is Wash U, whether they could still play at Fontbonne given the geographic proximity...

A shame that no one chimed in with this info before, or let me know through email so I could have added it to my writeup of what each SLIAC school is losing through graduation.  This is obviously a big hit to the Fontbonne program, though much is still left on the roster to keep them in a high preseason ranking... it really hurts their depth

Also heard that one key SLIAC individual and possibly a second did not have their names submitted for All Region consideration due to Administrative oversight...  that's just...bad.   If I'm wrong on this, feel free to let me know and I'll retract.

[Pat Coleman]

You are not wrong.

[hopefan]

You are not wrong.

Thank you Pat for the confirmation..

Maybe I'm the only one in the world who cares, but this angers me beyond words... D3hoops goes out of its way to remind SIDs to submit names, SEVERAL TIMES, but the SIDS from two schools, and the conference, ignore this responsibility until it was too late... costing Clayton Whitlock, a Josten's finalist, the SLIAC MOP, and a kid who worked like heck to come back from a horrible junior year, a chance to receive All Region recognition... and costing Parker Davidson, a young man whose stats were better than the selected winner, a chance to receive recognition as the region's newcomer of the year.

[Denny McKinney]

The situation with FU's Welch and Rucker seem totally odd. The HC and AD have a precedent in place for the 3-2 rule. Look no further than MBB's John Dressler. John came back and played for the Griffin's his 5 th year. While attending Wash U. 

Prediction: Johnson has played his last game for Mac.