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hopefan

Should clearly be he or Coach Barber for SLIAC Coach of the Year....
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

Greek Tragedy

In the game that didn't matter, Iowa Wesleyan and MacMurray mutually decide not to play any defense. MacMurray wins 129-122 in OT.

For Iowa Wesleyan...

Neubauer goes for 31 pts on 11-14 shooting, including 6-8 from 3.
Butler drops 45 and 10 with 6 treys.
Drey chips in with 29 and 8 dimes.

For MacMurray...

Long hits for 37 and 12 boards.
Davis finishes with 31, but only 5-14 from behind the arc.
Cameron goes wild with 24 points, 8 rebounds...and 20 assists.

Now that would've been a fun game to be at!
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hopefan

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2018, 10:16:27 PM
In the game that didn't matter, Iowa Wesleyan and MacMurray mutually decide not to play any defense. MacMurray wins 129-122 in OT.

For Iowa Wesleyan...

Neubauer goes for 31 pts on 11-14 shooting, including 6-8 from 3.
Butler drops 45 and 10 with 6 treys.
Drey chips in with 29 and 8 dimes.

For MacMurray...



Long hits for 37 and 12 boards.
Davis finishes with 31, but only 5-14 from behind the arc.
Cameron goes wild with 24 points, 8 rebounds...and 20 assists.

Now that would've been a fun game to be at!

Watched a large part of it on the internet.. definitely no defense, definitely a lot of fun...  Big win for Mac, as they started the season 5-9, go 8-3 the rest of the way to finish over .500 at 13-12.... first half of conference 2-7, go the second half in 7-2.... 1st half of the season losses to Spalding, Iowa Wesleyan, Fontbonne just killed them.....
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

hopefan

Hopefan's All Conference.....   no coach's politics allowed!!!!!!

MOP    Brock Butler   Iowa Wesleyan

Frosh of the Year    Nigel Wilcox  Webster

Coach of the Year   George Barber Greenville


1st Team
Butler IWU
Davidson Prin
Long Mac
Feehan Eureka
Kobe Wands Westmin

2nd Team
Wilcox Webster
Dix Greenville
Ellis Spalding
Bennington Eureka
Davis Mac

3rd Team
Scott BC
M Paulson Prin
Williams Spalding
Goodman Prin
Drey IWU

Honorable Mention
Woodcock Fontbonne
McCan, Fontbonne
Carter Wands Westmin
Thomas Eureka
Bonney Greenville


All Rookie

1st Team
Wilcox Webster
Woodcock Fontbonne
DeLine Fontbonne
Bateman Greenville
Crespo Webster

2nd Team
Coddington Fontbonne
Brandt Westminster
Baker Fontbonne
Montgomery  Spalding
Holt  Spalding

3rd Team
Watts Spalding
Etienne  Webster
Fernandez IWU
Bendingfeld Spalding
Sellers Principia
McCias Webster


The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

Hoosiersfan2323

Quote from: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
Hopefan's All Conference.....   no coach's politics allowed!!!!!!

MOP    Brock Butler   Iowa Wesleyan

Frosh of the Year    Nigel Wilcox  Webster

Coach of the Year   George Barber Greenville


1st Team
Butler IWU
Davidson Prin
Long Mac
Feehan Eureka
Kobe Wands Westmin

2nd Team
Wilcox Webster
Dix Greenville
Ellis Spalding
Bennington Eureka
Davis Mac

3rd Team
Scott BC
M Paulson Prin
Williams Spalding
Goodman Prin
Drey IWU

Honorable Mention
Woodcock Fontbonne
McCan, Fontbonne
Carter Wands Westmin
Thomas Eureka
Bonney Greenville


All Rookie

1st Team
Wilcox Webster
Woodcock Fontbonne
DeLine Fontbonne
Bateman Greenville
Crespo Webster

2nd Team
Coddington Fontbonne
Brandt Westminster
Baker Fontbonne
Montgomery  Spalding
Holt  Spalding

3rd Team
Watts Spalding
Etienne  Webster
Fernandez IWU
Bendingfeld Spalding
Sellers Principia
McCias Webster

Awesome list, hopefan. Really well done and I think all of your picks are justified. My only pushbacks are small - first, I'm surprised not to see Hayes from Blackburn on this list, even as an HM candidate (14.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG in conference), but it also probably won't surprise you based on our back-and-forth last night that I think Kollar should be COY. Blackburn was picked #9 preseason, lost 85% of its scoring from a year ago, and Kollar helped the Beavers post their best record in over a decade and earn the #3 seed in the conference tournament (where BC hasn't been since 2006). No disrespect to Barber, but in my mind, he took a surefire conference tournament team and brought them to the conference tournament. Kollar took a team that everyone believed belonged in the basement of the conference and led them to their best season since who knows when.

hopefan

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Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
Hopefan's All Conference.....   no coach's politics allowed!!!!!!

MOP    Brock Butler   Iowa Wesleyan

Frosh of the Year    Nigel Wilcox  Webster

Coach of the Year   George Barber Greenville


1st Team
Butler IWU
Davidson Prin
Long Mac
Feehan Eureka
Kobe Wands Westmin

2nd Team
Wilcox Webster
Dix Greenville
Ellis Spalding
Bennington Eureka
Davis Mac

3rd Team
Scott BC
M Paulson Prin
Williams Spalding
Goodman Prin
Drey IWU

Honorable Mention
Woodcock Fontbonne
McCan, Fontbonne
Carter Wands Westmin
Thomas Eureka
Bonney Greenville


All Rookie

1st Team
Wilcox Webster
Woodcock Fontbonne
DeLine Fontbonne
Bateman Greenville
Crespo Webster

2nd Team
Coddington Fontbonne
Brandt Westminster
Baker Fontbonne
Montgomery  Spalding
Holt  Spalding

3rd Team
Watts Spalding
Etienne  Webster
Fernandez IWU
Bendingfeld Spalding
Sellers Principia
McCias Webster

Awesome list, hopefan. Really well done and I think all of your picks are justified. My only pushbacks are small - first, I'm surprised not to see Hayes from Blackburn on this list, even as an HM candidate (14.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG in conference), but it also probably won't surprise you based on our back-and-forth last night that I think Kollar should be COY. Blackburn was picked #9 preseason, lost 85% of its scoring from a year ago, and Kollar helped the Beavers post their best record in over a decade and earn the #3 seed in the conference tournament (where BC hasn't been since 2006). No disrespect to Barber, but in my mind, he took a surefire conference tournament team and brought them to the conference tournament. Kollar took a team that everyone believed belonged in the basement of the conference and led them to their best season since who knows when.

Thanks a million times over for your response... discussing things like this is where all the fun is, unfortunately, our board has become a 'SLIAC hoops newspaper' site rather than a discussion board...

Regarding Hayes... you'd be interested to know that using my valuations of every game, every individual...Blackburn had 3 of the next 5 on the list... or, so to say, a second honorable mention team... Hayes, Rusten, King....along with Hollandsworth, Johnson (Webster), and Tankins...looking at Hayes specifically, he had some very good games, where I gave him 3 or 4 points out of a max 5, but he also had 11 of 18 games where he receiver 0 valuation points...compare that to Malcom Scott, who earned valuation points in 14 of 18 games... another factor for BC is that Coach Kollar really used 8,9, even 10 players during the season... a different person stepped up on different nights...

The Coach award was pondered for a while.. but my main reasoning..

Coach Barber lost every key player from last year's team but Johari Dix, and Dix was not really considered a scorer... he had to bring in a tremendous recruiting class, and he did, and recruiting is a part of coaching... then he had to quickly sell and teach all these new faces on the system how to work together, how to put these guys in working groups... he did...  I saw GC get beat badly at Eureka early in the season, I would define them as awful that night.. as far as they came from that night, to being a team that I think was BETTER than last year, was really impressive...

Coach Kollar did a tremendous job in bringing a number of players who weren't very good last year, to being solid players this year... But, they lost 8 conference games, and yes they won the last 2 big ones to get a spot, but if Westmin had taken care of business on Wednesday and Webster on Saturday, BC would have been on the outside looking in....
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

hopefan

Incidentally... I spoke of questionable calls in discussing the MacMurray-Webster game the other day... the Blackburn-Westminster game was also ALMOST decided by a "phantom" foul call... last play of Regulation, Westmin down 1, 5 seconds, Kobe Wands drives, forced to put up a falling down fadeaway. ball comes off the boards, Carter Wands in front of Blackburn's Malcome Scott (Scott is probably 8 inches taller).. Carter Wands leaps, Malcom Scott reaches, both with hands on the ball, Scott called for over the back as time runs out...I see No contact on the video... none... Westmin could have won the game, knocking BC out of the Conference Tourney on that call... horrible... fortunately Wands makes, then misses, so overtime.... and BC wins it...Would have been
very unfortunate to lose on a call like that...
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

Greek Tragedy

So, as previously posted, for fun, I decided to have an all SLIAC team for my final week of the Regular Season Draft League. I had at least one player from each team (two from Eureka and two from Principia). Here are the results. 18 games are played using a 12-player roster and the top 15 games count.

I ended up scoring the 2nd highest weekly total for the whole year! I only had ONE player play against The System this week too. Way to represent, SLIAC players!



   Poster      Player      Team      Opponent      DATE      SCORE   
   Greek      McCann      Fontbonne      Eureka      17      11   
   Greek      Feehan      Eureka      Iowa Wes      14      21   
   Greek      Paulson      Principia      Fontbonne      13      24   
   Greek      Williams        Spalding      Principia      17      24   
   Greek      Dix      Greenville      Webster      17      29   
   Greek      Butler      Iowa Wes      Eureka      14      30   
   Greek      Wands      Westminster      Blackburn      17      32   
   Greek      Davis         MacMurray      Westminster      14      34   
   Greek      Davidson        Principia      Spalding      17      35   
   Greek      Wilcox      Webster      Greenville      17      35   
   Greek      Davis         MacMurray      Iowa Wes      17      38   
   Greek      Bennington        Eureka      Iowa Wes      14      41   
   Greek      Dix      Greenville      Spalding      14      44   
   Greek      Wands      Westminster      MacMurray      14      46   
   Greek      Hayes        Blackburn      Westminster      17      46   
   Greek      Davidson        Principia      Fontbonne      13      49   
   Greek      Paulson      Principia      Spalding      17      53   
   Greek      Butler      Iowa Wes      MacMurray      17      62   
   .      .      .      .      TOTAL      598   

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Hoosiersfan2323

Quote from: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
Hopefan's All Conference.....   no coach's politics allowed!!!!!!

MOP    Brock Butler   Iowa Wesleyan

Frosh of the Year    Nigel Wilcox  Webster

Coach of the Year   George Barber Greenville


1st Team
Butler IWU
Davidson Prin
Long Mac
Feehan Eureka
Kobe Wands Westmin

2nd Team
Wilcox Webster
Dix Greenville
Ellis Spalding
Bennington Eureka
Davis Mac

3rd Team
Scott BC
M Paulson Prin
Williams Spalding
Goodman Prin
Drey IWU

Honorable Mention
Woodcock Fontbonne
McCan, Fontbonne
Carter Wands Westmin
Thomas Eureka
Bonney Greenville


All Rookie

1st Team
Wilcox Webster
Woodcock Fontbonne
DeLine Fontbonne
Bateman Greenville
Crespo Webster

2nd Team
Coddington Fontbonne
Brandt Westminster
Baker Fontbonne
Montgomery  Spalding
Holt  Spalding

3rd Team
Watts Spalding
Etienne  Webster
Fernandez IWU
Bendingfeld Spalding
Sellers Principia
McCias Webster

Awesome list, hopefan. Really well done and I think all of your picks are justified. My only pushbacks are small - first, I'm surprised not to see Hayes from Blackburn on this list, even as an HM candidate (14.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG in conference), but it also probably won't surprise you based on our back-and-forth last night that I think Kollar should be COY. Blackburn was picked #9 preseason, lost 85% of its scoring from a year ago, and Kollar helped the Beavers post their best record in over a decade and earn the #3 seed in the conference tournament (where BC hasn't been since 2006). No disrespect to Barber, but in my mind, he took a surefire conference tournament team and brought them to the conference tournament. Kollar took a team that everyone believed belonged in the basement of the conference and led them to their best season since who knows when.

Thanks a million times over for your response... discussing things like this is where all the fun is, unfortunately, our board has become a 'SLIAC hoops newspaper' site rather than a discussion board...

Regarding Hayes... you'd be interested to know that using my valuations of every game, every individual...Blackburn had 3 of the next 5 on the list... or, so to say, a second honorable mention team... Hayes, Rusten, King....along with Hollandsworth, Johnson (Webster), and Tankins...looking at Hayes specifically, he had some very good games, where I gave him 3 or 4 points out of a max 5, but he also had 11 of 18 games where he receiver 0 valuation points...compare that to Malcom Scott, who earned valuation points in 14 of 18 games... another factor for BC is that Coach Kollar really used 8,9, even 10 players during the season... a different person stepped up on different nights...

The Coach award was pondered for a while.. but my main reasoning..

Coach Barber lost every key player from last year's team but Johari Dix, and Dix was not really considered a scorer... he had to bring in a tremendous recruiting class, and he did, and recruiting is a part of coaching... then he had to quickly sell and teach all these new faces on the system how to work together, how to put these guys in working groups... he did...  I saw GC get beat badly at Eureka early in the season, I would define them as awful that night.. as far as they came from that night, to being a team that I think was BETTER than last year, was really impressive...

Coach Kollar did a tremendous job in bringing a number of players who weren't very good last year, to being solid players this year... But, they lost 8 conference games, and yes they won the last 2 big ones to get a spot, but if Westmin had taken care of business on Wednesday and Webster on Saturday, BC would have been on the outside looking in....

The whole reason I came to D3 boards in the first place was for the debates! There are some people on here who can't stomach disagreements, so I really appreciate your openness to conversation. I certainly don't know everything nor am I close to always being right, so I enjoy listening to the opinions of others who have a track record of knowing their stuff and you certainly fit that description, hopefan.

You're right in that it's incredibly interesting that three of the next five guys are BC guys, and your logic makes complete sense. Didn't even think about the fact that Kollar going 9-10 deep in any given game makes it harder for his guys to stick out in conference play. Perhaps it was the 38-point performance by Hayes on Saturday that was just lingering in my head and fogging my vision. At best, he's HM, and the rest is really well thought out. Props to you.

I also understand your argument against Kollar for Coach of the Year. I admit that I was watching the end of the BC/Westminster game and almost lost my mind at the over-the-back call with less than a second left. Blackburn has been a fun team to watch throughout the season because of their defensive focus and the lack of any bona fide star on the offensive end of the court, and I would have hated to see them miss the tournament because of a brutal call for a foul that didn't happen (and, even if it did, you could argue that calling an over-the-back call with less than a second left on a guy who was 6+" taller than the defender over whom he rebounded was an absurd lapse of judgment for the officials). Glad it ultimately didn't matter, though I do see how you could argue that it took Kollar a bit of luck to get Blackburn into the tournament down the stretch.

I think my only counter to that point would be that Blackburn captured the #3 seed. So, even though we both know that they snuck in on the final day, they still finished third out of ten and Kollar deserves serious credit for getting the two he needed down the stretch.. I didn't follow Greenville too closely throughout the season, but hard to believe that they didn't ever benefit from a bit of luck, too. Theirs just wasn't as prominent given that they had secured a spot in the tournament regardless of what happened on the final day.

At the end of the day, I don't think you can go wrong with either, but as a fan of the league, I'm extremely impressed with the job Kollar has done at BC in only three years. He's one of the brightest young coaches in D3 basketball, and Blackburn (especially the players) is lucky to have him. Onto the conference tournament!

WUPHF

There is something to be said about the turn around at Blackburn...

Kollar represents a break from the recent past.

2007-2008  5-19 (3-13)
2008-2009  5-20 (3-13)
2009-2010  4-20 (2-14)
2010-2011  7-18 (3-13)
2011-2012  7-18 (4-12)
2012-2013  2-23 (2-14)
2013-2014  2-23 (2-16)
2014-2015  6-19 (5-13)
__________________________
2015-2016  10-15 (9-9)
2016-2017  12-13 (9-9)
2017-2018  14-11 (10-8)

y_jack_lok

^^^ Blackburn had a bit more success prior to 2007-08 when Dave Kaneshiro was coach. He's now the head women's coach at D2 UH Hilo. Here's a paragraph on him from the UH Hilo website:

"Before returning to UH Hilo in 2006, Kaneshiro ended a three-year head coaching run at Blackburn College (Carlinville, Ill.) where he was 39-38, claimed two conference championships and was the 2006 Co-Coach of the Year in the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. He was first tabbed as a head coach by Webster University in 2000 where he was 23-28 over two years. In only his second year there, his team won a SLIAC championship and he was recognized as the conference coach of the year."

Here's the link to the full article: http://hiloathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=379

hopefan

Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2018, 11:45:08 AM
^^^ Blackburn had a bit more success prior to 2007-08 when Dave Kaneshiro was coach. He's now the head women's coach at D2 UH Hilo. Here's a paragraph on him from the UH Hilo website:

"Before returning to UH Hilo in 2006, Kaneshiro ended a three-year head coaching run at Blackburn College (Carlinville, Ill.) where he was 39-38, claimed two conference championships and was the 2006 Co-Coach of the Year in the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. He was first tabbed as a head coach by Webster University in 2000 where he was 23-28 over two years. In only his second year there, his team won a SLIAC championship and he was recognized as the conference coach of the year."

Here's the link to the full article: http://hiloathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=379

Yes, BC was good then, had some serious battles with Maryville, and hosted the conference tourney one year (splitting the crowds on semifinals day because of limited seating... the gym was cleared after game one, pay again for game two.... I remember the BC A.D. and I did not see eye to eye on that)... Luca Djedovich, BC power forward, one of my favorite SLIAC players, played so hard....
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

WUPHF

Unfortunately, the D3Hoops.com archives on the Blackburn team-specific page only go back to 2006-2007.

The Blackburn Athletics website has erased the history of the program entirely.  The Beavers may celebrate their heritage on-campus for all I know, but they have nothing to speak of virtually except for a list of members of the Hall of Fame.  They need to do better in that regard.

Former Devil 40

Went and watched Senior Day at EC this past weekend and noticed Shea Feehan was honored as a "senior"

Still has 1 year of eligibility left but it appears he may not be using it at Eureka next year.  Would be a real bummer to see him go.  With the group of guys returning next year I think they had a chance to make some serious noise and possibly get some national recognition.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out

WUPHF

Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2018, 11:45:08 AM
He was first tabbed as a head coach by Webster University in 2000 where he was 23-28 over two years. In only his second year there, his team won a SLIAC championship and he was recognized as the conference coach of the year."

It is interesting that Blackburn was able to hire away a coach from Webster after he won the coach of the year.