MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

Greek you are slipping .. I said the same thing a couple posts ago... I made the BC SID aware, he was on the road, will be fixed Monday/Tuesday..

That's what I get for posting at 3 in the morning. 

[hopefan]

Thanks YJack and Wupiffff for your responses on the Webster situation... I was hoping we'e hear thoughts from some of the major posters from other boards, or from one of the D3hoops guys... but it is football season... my post may not have been seen, or didn't yet strike the fancy of others....

[Greek Tragedy]

Thanks YJack and Wupiffff for your responses on the Webster situation... I was hoping we'e hear thoughts from some of the major posters from other boards, or from one of the D3hoops guys... but it is football season... my post may not have been seen, or didn't yet strike the fancy of others....

I don't believe it's in the best interest of the university to make an extra effort, find a loophole or bend a rule for someone because then you're obligated to do that for everyone, star athlete or not.

[hopefan]

Thanks YJack and Wupiffff for your responses on the Webster situation... I was hoping we'e hear thoughts from some of the major posters from other boards, or from one of the D3hoops guys... but it is football season... my post may not have been seen, or didn't yet strike the fancy of others....

I don't believe it's in the best interest of the university to make an extra effort, find a loophole or bend a rule for someone because then you're obligated to do that for everyone, star athlete or not.

Greek thinking the other way...I was hoping we'd get supporters on either side of the issue....

[WUPHF]

I don't believe it's in the best interest of the university to make an extra effort, find a loophole or bend a rule for someone because then you're obligated to do that for everyone, star athlete or not.

I agree that athletes should be held to the same standard as everyone else, though I disagree with the best interest part.

This is ultimately why it is in the best interest of the university to work with the student: $28,500 (- institutional aid) x 2 in tuition.
http://www.webster.edu/admissions/undergraduate/tuition.html

Not to mention retention rates which do matter for the rankings and the general institutional commitment to serving students.

I did say that the coach was probably advocating, but I would have picked up the phone for the student if I had a reason to do so.

I do not know the source so I reserve the possibility that there is more to the story though before I condemn Webster, but as told, I am surprised.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I know you may want one of the D3hoops guys to answer, but I won't. I just am not going to get into the weeds on what colleges decide on these things. Every college and situation is different. I've also learned that there is always more to a story - no matter who is telling it (me, hopefan, Sister Mary, etc.).

If i jump off on this ... I'm going get in deep and I just don't think that's where I need my time right now. Too much other things going on. Sorry. Maybe Ryan or someone else will present an opinion.

I answered just so you don't think the topic is being ignored.

[GU1999]

Any FERPA folks out there want to weigh in on whether the type of information is Personally Identifiable Information (PII) under the act?   I am Hopeful that it is not and/or that the information came from the family of the athlete.  I thought that fin aid information was covered, but I am no expert.

I am also Hopeful that Nigel finds a way back to campus in time to get into classes, although I suspect that there would be some issues with add/drop timing which may limit his ability to have enough course hours to be eligible to play right away.  Nigel is the kind of kid that makes the league better and this league needs to be better.

I do want to say that this does seem like abnormally cold treatment of such a good kid (as Hope noted), but not really knowing all the facts/details, I am reminded of the old adage I learned while working in Missouri, "No matter how thin you slice the bologna, there is always two sides."  Maybe the other side is simply Webster is just a bit colder and letter of the law when it comes to these types of issues.  Their guidebook says the following,

"Payment and/or payment arrangements are required at registration. The payment options offered include:

Financial aid
Direct billing to a third party (i.e., employer)
Tuition assistance paid by a government agency (e.g., military)
Deferred payment plan
Payment in full

Some options require the submission of appropriate documentation. The deferred payment plan option requires a deferred payment fee to be paid at the time of registration. The University reserves the right to refuse deferred payment privileges for any student whose account is overdue or has been overdue in the past."  (Emp. added)

Anyway, not knowing any inner workings of the place, I do not know if the StL campus is handled separately and with more autonomy when it comes to decisions like this. That said, I do note that in the landscape of academic institutions, Webster, even b4 discount rate (internal subsidy), has a fairly competitive private school tuition.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think it's pretty standard that you can't register for class if you haven't paid for the previous year.

[WUPHF]

This would be a FERPA violation if the information as detailed was provided by a Webster University employee, yes.  No one here is subject to FERPA unless they work for the University.

[GU1999]

Fair point.  But where did the information come from? 

[y_jack_lok]

I had to Google FERPA: https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

It's a short read and refers mostly to releasing records.

[y_jack_lok]

I think it's pretty standard that you can't register for class if you haven't paid for the previous year.

When my son graduated from college they would not give him his actual degree until a fine was paid by him and all his suitemates for his dorm suite not being satisfactorily cleaned once it had been vacated. That is to say that it seems colleges/universities are pretty rigid about payment issues.

[WUPHF]

Colleges and universities are universally rigid for students who no longer have an obligation to pay.

For those who have an obligation...

I used to work in financial aid at a community college.

If you came and said "hey, they will not me register" the answer was no.

If you came and said "can I talk to someone about it" the answer was yes and the Directors always made an exception.

[hopefan]

Blackburn's schedule is now up and complete. That leaves only the Big Mac, MacMurray, not yet up.

[hopefan]

HEY HEY HEY.... Mac's schedule is posted.... all 10 Sliac teams have now released their schedules....I'll start working on comparing the schedules of each of the SLIAC teams... anxious to see if there are any surprises... changes in thinking....