MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

For some conferences it's record against 1st place team, then record vs 2nd place team etc.

[WUPHF]

Eureka College owns the tiebreaker in this scenario thanks to the home win against Webster.

Multiple Teams: In a multiple-team tie (3 tied teams or more), the tied group's Win-Loss record against each other will be compared to eliminate the first team (or assign the lowest seed). The same procedure of comparing Win-Loss record of multiple tie teams will be used repeatedly in multiple team ties (3 or more) until there are only two tied teams left to compare.  If a tie still persists after comparing Win-Loss record against each other in a multiple-team situation, the second step will be to compare the multiple team's individual team win-loss record against the top ranked team in the league and continue to move down through the teams until the tie is broken.  If the tie of the multiple teams is not broken after using Step 2, then the teams would proceed through steps 3-7 until the tie is broken.

Two Team Tie: Once only two teams remain, the first criteria to break the tie will be head-to-head competition. If the head to head competition cannot determine the top team, then tie-breaker criteria 2 through 7 will be used one in descending order until the tie is broken. Only games counted as Conference competition shall be used in the tiebreaker process steps 1-5.  1.) Head-to-head  2.) Record vs. teams in descending order from first place  3.) Quality of wins index head-to-head amongst tied teams  4.) Quality of wins index, all conference contests  5.) Fewest Player, Coach and Team Conduct Fouls in conference contests  6.) NCAA In-Region Strength of Schedule  7.) Coin Toss 

[GU1999]

[[Disclaimer - This is my first time applying SLIAC rules to playoff scenarios so please correct me if and when I misstep]]

First lets do an outlier scenario for fun to get warm. 

In the crazy event that there is a 4 way tie for last three spots:

Needed to happen to make this reality:

- GU loses to Blackburn and Eureka; and
- Eureka beats Webster and GU; and
- Blackburn beats Greenville and Spalding; and
- Fontbonne beats IWU and Prin

4 teams all at 12 - 6

All would be 3 - 3 against the others in the group.

Next we'd look at record v. Webster. 

GU and EU would have beat Webster (FU and BB were swept by same) and thereby would be in at the 2 and 3 slots.  Eureka would be 2-0 and get the #2 seed.  GU would be 1 - 1 and get the #3 seed. 

The 4th spot would come down to FU and BB -  After looking at the descending order of wins, I think that there are splits down to the Westminster line and there FU swept and BB split, thereby moving FU through into the 4th spot.

I not attempted to tackle the three way tie for the last two spots scenarios as I feel that there are just too many moving parts to factor with two games to play.  Which, I suspect, means that they have a higher possibility of becoming reality.   

I think that it is much more likely that we have the scenario contemplated earlier this week by ECred where GU wins one more game, FU sweeps and EU and BB lose one.  In that scenario, Eureka gets the 4 seed as they beat Webster at least one time while BB was swept.   GU gets the 2, FU gets the 3 and Eureka gets the 4.

Should be a fun final week. 

My predictions are as follows:

1) Webster
2) GU
3) Fontbonne
4) Eureka

[y_jack_lok]

+1 for that. It makes my brain hurt to think about it. Do you care to tackle a scenario, if it exists, in which Webster is NOT the #1 seed?

[WUPHF]

I was curious about that too, but it is hard to determine because Eureka and Blackburn have yet to play Greenville.

If Webster loses the next two and Greenville wins the next two, Greenville obviously moves even with Webster with 14 wins.

This means Greenville has wins over Eureka and Blackburn who are then 1-1 or 0-2 for a maximum of 11 wins.

Fontbonne has Iowa Wesleyan (h) and Principia (a) and if they go 2-0 and move in to third, then the Griffins determine the tiebreaker and the No. 1 seed goes to Webster.

If Fontbonne goes 0-1 or 1-1, then I believe Greenville will get the No. 1 seed thanks to two regular season wins over Eureka. 

OK, I probably need to check this tomorrow.

If you an unaffiliated SLIAC fan, or even a nominal fan that loves to be able to walk to games, this is a particularly exciting week, regardless of where you are in the world.

[y_jack_lok]

^^^ Thanks. +1 for you as well.

[WUPHF]

OK, I am a SLIAC policy novice, but I believe that is right.

If Webster and Greenville are tied with 14 wins then the tiebreaker is in the hands of Fontbonne and Eureka...

If Fontbonne finishes in third, then Webster gets the No. 1 seed thanks to a 2-0 record against the Griffins.

If Eureka finishes in third, then Greenville gets the No. 1 seed thanks to a 2-0 record against the Ronald Reagans.

If Fontbonne and Eureka are tied...
Webster is 2-0 against Fontbonne, Greenville is 1-1 against Fontbonne.
Webster is 0-2 against Eureka and Greenville is 2-0 against Eureka.

This is why I think this is the scenario in which Greenville gets the No. 1 seed, but maybe someone else knows for sure or can double-check my work.

Both teams are 2-0 against Blackburn, so the Beavers are not a factor, incidentally.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Did they add team technical fouls into the tiebreak procedure?  Seems only fair, right?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second

[GU1999]

OK, I am a SLIAC policy novice, but I believe that is right.

If Webster and Greenville are tied with 14 wins then the tiebreaker is in the hands of Fontbonne and Eureka...

If Fontbonne finishes in third, then Webster gets the No. 1 seed thanks to a 2-0 record against the Griffins.

If Eureka finishes in third, then Greenville gets the No. 1 seed thanks to a 2-0 record against the Ronald Reagans.

If Fontbonne and Eureka are tied...
Webster is 2-0 against Fontbonne, Greenville is 1-1 against Fontbonne.
Webster is 0-2 against Eureka and Greenville is 2-0 against Eureka.

This is why I think this is the scenario in which Greenville gets the No. 1 seed, but maybe someone else knows for sure or can double-check my work.

Both teams are 2-0 against Blackburn, so the Beavers are not a factor, incidentally.

Note to self... don't book a room in Greenville for the conference tournament. 

[GU1999]

Did they add team technical fouls into the tiebreak procedure?  Seems only fair, right?

Yes, technical fouls are included in the tie-break waterfall.  But they are far enough down that it is VERY unlikely to reached as they fall below two "Quality of Wins index calculations."   Inclusion in the waterfall is just a dash of "we did something else"  red meat for those most triggered by a T.

As you have written upon it previously, the rule that took down IWU's soccer team this year is the real meat and potatoes of the technical foul/yellow card super penalties. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The reference to the "Quality of  Wins Index calculations" sounds like the VERY old QOWI the NCAA Division III used for rankings and selections. Is that the reference? If so, maybe they should change the language. If not, is that a difference equation that the conference uses?

[GU1999]

Here is the language. 

"3.) Quality of wins index head-to-head amongst tied teams 
4.) Quality of wins index, all conference contests
...

Quality of Wins Index (for Steps 3 & 4)

Win on the road – 4 points

Win at home – 3 points

Loss on the road – 2 points

Loss at home – 1 point

Tie- Sum of road win and road loss, divide by two. Sum of home win and home loss, divide by two.


Points for tied contests are calculated by taking the points which would have been awarded with a win, adding the points which would have been awarded with a loss and dividing by two.

The quality-of-wins index is calculated by adding the total number of points and dividing by the number of games.

A neutral game is defined as being at a site where neither team practices or plays its regular home games and, as such, is awarded as if it were an away game."

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Oof ... okay... I can't remember the NCAA language, but that doesn't sound familiar.

Still ... interesting.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Oof ... okay... I can't remember the NCAA language, but that doesn't sound familiar.

Still ... interesting.

The NCAA QOWI was all based on winning percentage, which wouldn't apply to tied teams in a conference.