MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BunchTime]

It is running smooth on my ends.  Good luck getting things worked out panther!

[pantherpride06]

Hey Bunchtime... I think we did this last year as well.

It's all working, just took a long time to get to the site home screen.  Looks like a barn burner.  Radio play-by-play guy needs to get some water, take a breather and just call the game. 

[pantherpride06]

Holy cow.  Finish the game Fontbonne.  Just could not close out at the end.  It'll be great to hear what everyone has to say....

Overtime in Maryville!

[BunchTime]

Wow... What a finish at Webster tonight.  Fontbonne seemed like it has control, but like panther said, could not finish.  Corey Kuhn had a few big buckets towards the end, which helped put Webster in control at the end.  Nice to see the Gorloks move to 10-0 in conference.

[BunchTime]

Gorloks were down by 10 with about 10 to play, according to the broadcast team.  And Webster finished with a 17-2 run.  Right now, I am listening to Coach Bunch's interview.  He said, "Our offense was horrible tonight.  And we took the the post players out and put Kuhn out there to try get things going."  Also, said that "many teams played us close so nothing is guaranteed to our team." According to Coach, Turk was playing sick.  He was asked about the timeouts, and he had a nice laugh.  I can imagine what was said during those timeouts 

I think Coach Bunch will continue to get the team prepared 1 game at a time.  Although the game sounded sloppy, I am glad to see that this team continues to get things done when they need to -- always a sign of championship team!  Anxious to hear the comments from those were at the game.

[y_jack_lok]

Very exciting Webster/Fontbonne game tonight. It went from a 44-34 Fontbonne lead to a 54-49 Webster win. That's a 20-5 scoring run over the final 10 minutes or so of the game. Great defense by both teams and the refs definitely "let them play". A total of 8 fouls had been called in the 2nd half (5 on Fontbonne, 3 on Webster) until the last minute or less when Fontbonne needed to foul to put Webster on the line. Hrdlicka and Turk both hit their free throws when it counted.

Interesting substitution strategy used by Coach Bunch in the 2nd half. Freshmen Matt Trippet and Robbie Meeh were on the floor together for three or four minutes. They both did a nice job and gave Webster's regulars some rest. Fontbonne's starting five played almost the entire second half, except for subbing Dressler for Storandt when Storandt got his 4th foul. There might have been another substitution, but I can't remember one.

Kudos to both teams for playing hard start to finish.

[y_jack_lok]

How could I have forgotten to recognize Corey Kuhn for his 11 second half points. He came up big when it counted. That's the kind of senior moment I'd like to have.

[fcnews]

As hard as it is to admit it. I'm a big enough man to say, "Tonights loss hurts." Fu played as good a game as they could play without McCoy. Chad Fournie made Turk a non factor. He hit the first shot of the game on a missed switch and went 0-5 from there. He didn't even get many touches in his 30 minutes. Hoggatt and Robinson combined for 16 points on 8-20 from the field. Branch held Hrdlicka to 1-8 from the field.

Both teams shot poorly FU 37% and WU 34 %. Credit the defenses. Webster did a good job of reading how the game was being called and hammered Fogerty everytime he touched it. Causing several traveling calls. It was a war on both ends. A big 3 second call late on Dressler cost FU a layup late in the game. Stat of the game, Webster 7 personal fouls in 40 minutes that may be an all time SLIAC low.

Fogerty played one more minute then Hoggatt and Storandt played two more minutes then Robinson. I have been asking where Corey Kuhn has been all year. He sure showed up tonight 13 pts. and 3-5 from three's, all 3 in WU's big run.

I can't say enough about Abozen's play. He scored 10 points on 4-8 shooting. After, Webster went up by 4 with under :30 to play he came down and hit a 25 footer to cut it to 1, with :26 to play. Fontbonne had a chance to tie, when Branch got an open look with :03 on the clock. Josh struggled with his shooting all night. Aby has now played 125 straight minutes, and tonite he got his first turnover. I for the life of me can't recall it. FU definately missed McCoy's scoring threat tonight.

Webster still has to face Fontbonne one more time. FU will be at full strength then. And, as I said last year, it is very very tough to beat the same team 3 times. Kudos to Webster on gutting out a win.

Tonight was SLIAC basketball at it's best. Played in front of 800 screaming fans.

[Gregory Sager]

And, as I said last year, it is very very tough to beat the same team 3 times.

I have never understood this aphorism, which some sports fans unblinkingly quote as though it came straight from Holy Writ. It makes no sense. If Team A defeats Team B once, then Team A is probably better than Team B ... but not necessarily better. There could be extenuating circumstances at work in that final score (home-court advantage, travel problems, injury or illness, a blown call by an official in a close game, etc., or simply an off-night of shooting for Team B ... which happens to the best of teams). A win doesn't conclusively decide which team is better; it decides who was better in that particular game, but beyond that it's a matter of extrapolation, speculation, partisanship, and the scoring and statistical gaps within the game. Thus emerges one of the great arguing points of sports, particularly when an upset occurs. How many people really and truly believe that Villanova was a better team than Georgetown in '85? Or that the Giants were a better team than the Pats this past NFL season?

However, if Team A defeats Team B twice, then you have twice as much evidence to back up the contention that Team A is simply better than Team B ... and those who would argue that "it's very, very tough to beat the same team three times" should be forced to answer the obvious (but usually unreflected-upon) truth that it must be much tougher to beat the same team twice than it is to beat the same team three times, since one win is less conclusive than two. Since a team that's beaten yours twice has already proved itself against you 100% more than has a team that's beaten yours once, the odds that that team will beat yours a third time are actually greater than are the odds that another team will beat yours a second time ... because the team that's beaten yours twice has doubled the precedent of the team that's beaten yours once.

In other words, the more that Team A beats Team B, the greater the likelihood that Team A is simply better than Team B ... and the less likely that there's any truth to the idea that the third time will be the charm for Team B.

Does it sometimes happen that Team B wins that third game after going 0-2? Sure. There are examples of just about every win-or-lose scenario in sports. But that doesn't make the aphorism any more true, no matter how much the fans of Team B would like to take solace in it.

Of course, the "tough to beat a team three times" aphorism is used highly selectively by those people who want to use it as a psychological security blanket. You never hear people quoting it when Team B (5-20, 2-12) has to face Team A (21-4, 12-2) in the opening round of a conference tournament, in the wake of two Team A wins over Team B in the regular season ... although, unqualified, that's just as applicable a situation for the "tough to beat a team three times" adage as any other.

[fcnews]

Sager - I've come to expect you to chime in when it is least appreciated. You just spent a lot of time and wasted space just to read your own post. Your probably the type that calls his own home phone just to hear his own voice. I don't how many times I've awaken early, and checked this site, to find that you have posted something on darn near every board.

My statement was based on something I said last year. And, as these posters know, it rang true. In the SLIAC Conference Tournament FU faced a WU team that had beaten us twice and FU won the third. In the finals FU faced an EC team that had also beaten us twice, only to see the same outcome.

The next time you feel the urge to post an essay where it is not needed, figure up your hourly worth to this world and make a donation to the charity of your choice.

Just the kind of BS I needed to read the morning after a game like last nights.

Thanks Pat - I didn't think there was a in region indicator on the d3hoops FU schedule. I quess I missed it.

Terre Haute and St. Louis are only separated by 168 miles, so Rose-Hulman vs. Fontbonne is therefore a regional game according to the 200-mile rule.

The above is exactly what I'm talking about. Another, 2 am post to tell me something that Pat gave the link to answer my question 4 hours earlier. You do have valuable knowledge to lend to our discussions. If you can find it buried in between your endless post of useless comments. Unless Pat is paying you by the word. And I seriously doubt that. You are wasting valuable time that could be put to use giving this world back something to benifit all of us.

[hopefan]

Lots to say about the game last night - but right now a horrendously stressful time at home and at work - I can't get drawn into D3 chat today  -  the game last night and being with yjack, furbug, fcnews, Ms yjak was a wonderful break from things

[fcnews]

Hopefan - I wish you the best in getting through your situation.

[depew24]

about beating a team 3 times in a season, it is hard and it really boils down to odds. the more you play a team the more the odds go up that you will lose.

[y_jack_lok]

Just a note on the fouls called in the FU-WU game last night. Fourteen were called against Fontbonne to seven against Webster. Three of Fontbonne's fouls were of the intentional (but not flagrant) variety intended to put Webster on the free-throw line. So the real differential is 11 for FU, 7 for WU. Not many for a game as physical as this game was. The reference by fcnews to the "Stat of the game, Webster 7 personal fouls in 40 minutes that may be an all time SLIAC low." seems intended to imply that Fontbonne got a bum deal from the refs. fc, is that what you were trying to say?

[Pat Coleman]

We're really splitting hairs now. Was Florida not last years National Champions?

Building a Championship Tradition
2007 National Champions
Why Not Florida?
Player Development
Facilities
Gator Game Day
Incredible Exposure
Strength & Conditioning
Southeastern Conference


The above taken from the U of Florida website

Defending National Champions Return Deep Veteran Lineup for Repeat Run
November 9 - The second-ranked Amherst College men's basketball team returns a deep lin-up of upperclassmen, including NABC National Co-Player of the Year, senior Andrew Olson and five classmates for a repeat run. The Jeffs open play next weekend when they host Hunter College in the Ken Wright '52 Invitational Tournament. Full Story



Above taken from Amherst website.

No offense, but you made us waste a lot of time reading this post as well, which didn't prove anything and didn't back up your point or refute mine.

Lots of posts waste time. If you don't like them, skip over them.