MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[furbug]

Just the kind of BS I needed to read the morning after a game like last nights.

I sympathize with you on this one, FC. Surely you did not need to wake up to that after enduring a tough loss.
Besides, the outcome of the 3rd meeting between two closely matched teams, one of which has previously won two, is not for statistical determination. It has to do with desire, which is hard to measure - the "It's not going to happen to us again, damn it! " syndrome.

[fcnews]

Pat - I just think we both know we were refering to the same tournament. And, your so right about Sager's comments. After last nights loss it was the last thing I wanted to read. And, I will eliminate GS from my viewing from here on out.

Both teams shot poorly FU 37% and WU 34 %. Credit the defenses. Webster did a good job of reading how the game was being called and hammered Fogerty everytime he touched it. Causing several traveling calls. It was a war on both ends.

By know means Yjak, did I want it to be viewed as FU getting homered. It was a real statement about the fewest fouls called that I can remember. The last 10 minutes FU beat themselves. That's why this loss hurt so bad.

[fcnews]

Thanks Furbug. One + K for that comment. I do appreciate it.

[pantherpride06]

Pat on the back to fcnews as well.  That's the one thing I hate to do as well is see that stuff.  I also hate seeing is from old Sager, who seems to have all the answers.

I agree with that comment.  Why?  It happened twice in post-season play for us at Puget Sound.  In volleyball, our women played Pacific Lutheran (cross town rival) twice in NWC play in both great matches.  We played them in the NCAA West Regional Semi-Final, and beat them 3-0 to go to the Final and then the NCAA Volleyball Championship.

On the women's soccer time, our women had played Whitworth twice during the regular season.  In the second round of the tournament, we did beat them for a third time, but it was one of the toughest games the gals had played all year.  We were down right out of the gate.

I think he gets his kicks coming on here and ruffling feathers.

[buncheriffic]

Just the kind of BS I needed to read the morning after a game like last nights.

I sympathize with you on this one, FC. Surely you did not need to wake up to that after enduring a tough loss.

You didn't NEED to log in and read anything. After last night's game you should have expected some posts that weren't going to make you happy. I started reading his post and skipped it because I have better things to do. Fact is, in SLIAC, it seems to be the case. I'm not going to crunch the numbers, FCNEWS has been around long enough and has seen it happen time and time again. Doesn't mean Webster will lose or FU will win; gotta play the game.

All I will say about last night's game is that Webster won with heart and with class. Period. While Branch was holding his hand in the air after sinking a 3 to put FU up by 10 with 10 to go and Abozen was busy yelling at the Webster fans, the Gorloks locked FU down on D and won the game.

Congrats to Coach Bunch, his staff, and the entire squad. The conference tournament will certainly be exciting.

PS. If I went 3-13 from the 3 point line, I certainly wouldn't be showboating.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat - I just think we both know we were refering to the same tournament.

And what I was telling you was here in the NCAA, we do not use that term. The NAIA uses that term.

I have never once heard CBS, for example, refer to the "National Tournament" on its coverage of the NCAA Tournament.

[fcnews]

Buncheriffic - I've ben posting on this site since the beginning. Probably longer then any of the regulars. I check this site every morning after reading the paper. No comment about last nights game would have upset me. I'm not here to condone anything our players jestered on the court. Webster had a very enthusiastic group there last night. Good for Webster and good for the SLIAC. The only thing I heard that I didn't care for was them calling opposing players by name during their chants. But, that happens at all kinds of games. No problem. I'm sure Aby's comments were no worse then those other players would use in the same situation.

I don't think anyone who watched last nights game would question FU's heart. And the class statement is another I'll chose not to comment on.

[BunchTime]

Although Sager's logic is correct, I am still of the company as well that it is tough to beat a team 3 times.  I mean, this isn't some probability and stats exam, if so, Sager passed, because his hypothesis was correct.  But as buncheriffic already noted, FC has been around this league and seen the "playing the 3rd game after losing 2" scenario much more than probably anyone on this board.  When two rival schools, who are about 5 miles apart, meet for a third time, I agree that many factors set in which are not accounted for including, perhaps, a letdown by the team who has won the first 2 games, changes in personal and styles of play etc.  While I obviously hope this isn't the case shall Webster and Fontbonne meet again, I know it remains a possibility -- as already noted, it happened last year.  And my last note on the topic, I believe that the first game between the schools was an aboration (the lopsided defeat), and that last night's game was more indicative of what is to come if these schools meet again.

[fcnews]

Whatever Mr. Coleman. It was to seperate a difference between the conference tourney and the tournament that follows. It is your world here on D3hoops and I'm only visiting.

[fcnews]

Well spoken Bunchtime. I had coffee with your favorite trash talker after the game last night. He and a few other players did a lot of talking about the good 'ol days. Wish you could of been their. If Buncherific had a problem with a player raising his fist after hitting a shot or someone saying something to the opposing student body, who knows what he would of thought about actions of both teams when you battled with the Griffins. It was fun.

Has anybody noticed that the Head Coach at Lincolm Memorial retired. Coach Bunch has definate ties to this D2 school. I'd hate to lose Coach from the SLIAC. He is a class act.

[Elwells2short]

It was a good game last night at Maryville with Westminister in town.  Like the WU/FU match-up, both teams really got after each other on defense and didn't shoot all that well. 

Maryville came out of the gates strong and held a 5-8 point lead for the first 30 minutes.  Westminister kept hanging around and eventually caught the Saints, and it was back in forth after that.  Maryville had the ball and a chance to win at the end of regulation after Buxton tied it on a nifty back door play.  Freshman Ben Koopman had a pretty decent look for the win, but Dylan Schram played some nice help defense and was able to block the shot to force OT.

In OT, it was all Westminister as they looked like a the more experienced team.  Buxton had a nice game with 15 boards and 15 points which all came after half-time.  Jared McCoy had a good night for Maryville with 12 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists to only 2 turnovers. 

So it's two heart-wrenching OT losses in a row for the young Saints.  I thought they played well last night and they always play hard, they just have to find a go to scorer at crunch time and they have to get more out of their post play.  Here's to hoping that they can keep their heads up and get a win at Greenville to stay in the race for the SLIAC tourney.

[furbug]

How many of you remember the Cardiac Cardinals in the mid '70's, with Jim Hart, Mel Gray, Jackie Smith, Coach Don Coryell and others? Well, maybe we ought to start calling this Webster team the Cardiac Gorloks, or, if we need an alliteration based on spectator well-being, perhaps the Gastronomic Gorloks. Better than that, and more fitting, might be the Gutsy Gorloks. I have seen most of their 19 games, and they may not play well some of the time, and they may get themselves into a hole, and it may look like they have had it, but they find a way to come back at the end. Sometimes it is just a good second half, as at Greenville, but often it is a super effort in the last few minutes, as against Hanover, Westminster, Principia and Fontbonne. This team does not quit!

Incidentally the open look by Branch last night with 3 seconds left referred to by FC never should have happened. Webster had 3 fouls to give, and should have fouled Branch well before the shot, then fouled after the resulting inbound pass, then fouled again if necessary. No shots need to have been allowed at all. 

[BunchTime]

Furbug, I didn't know the Gorloks had 3 fouls to give at the end of the game, but I should have after the numerous references to the few fouls that were called.  I agree with fouling, but in this conference you must be careful as well, because you never know if the refs will call an intentional or if they would call the foul while the shot was taking place.  Nevertheless, it is moot now since the result was desirable for the Gorloks.  I too am happy that this team continues to get the job done, even if it is not in the prettiest fashion!

[FU Fan]

Tough loss last night in a tough game.
I don't believe in the " Can't beat a team 3 times thing. "
They will have to play the game to finish that story. That game should happen.
I don't want to be sour grapes but it appeared to lean a little bit on the calls at the end. A floor foul I thought was a shooting foul changed  from 2 shot at the line to a in bounds pass. It forced FU to now play the clock at the end.
Both groups played awfully hard in this one.
FU's bench still needs some strength. I'll put the starters up against anybody elses.
OH yea calling players and their girlfriends names from the stands is not what I'd call  a real good crowd.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager - I've come to expect you to chime in when it is least appreciated. You just spent a lot of time and wasted space just to read your own post. Your probably the type that calls his own home phone just to hear his own voice. I don't how many times I've awaken early, and checked this site, to find that you have posted something on darn near every board.

My statement was based on something I said last year. And, as these posters know, it rang true. In the SLIAC Conference Tournament FU faced a WU team that had beaten us twice and FU won the third. In the finals FU faced an EC team that had also beaten us twice, only to see the same outcome.

The next time you feel the urge to post an essay where it is not needed, figure up your hourly worth to this world and make a donation to the charity of your choice.

Just the kind of BS I needed to read the morning after a game like last nights.

Thanks Pat - I didn't think there was a in region indicator on the d3hoops FU schedule. I quess I missed it.

Terre Haute and St. Louis are only separated by 168 miles, so Rose-Hulman vs. Fontbonne is therefore a regional game according to the 200-mile rule.

The above is exactly what I'm talking about. Another, 2 am post to tell me something that Pat gave the link to answer my question 4 hours earlier. You do have valuable knowledge to lend to our discussions. If you can find it buried in between your endless post of useless comments. Unless Pat is paying you by the word. And I seriously doubt that. You are wasting valuable time that could be put to use giving this world back something to benifit all of us.

Lighten up, FCnews. You don't get to dictate who writes on Posting Up and who doesn't, so learn to live with that fact. If you're too upset to deal with someone else's posts after your team loses, then use the scrollbar and go right past those posts. That's what it's there for.