MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BunchTime]

Sager, thanks for the insight.  It was very informative.  My question to you is this:  If Webster would win out, what, in your opinion, would they be seeded?  And, do you have any hunches as to who they would play?  Could it be Wash U?  It may be way too early to speculate on these things, but as the D3Hoops guru I thought you may have some info on some of these questions.  Thanks.

[Gregory Sager]

Thanks, but Pat's the guru. I'm merely his servile lackey named Igor.

The difficulty in making guesses about seeding at this point is that the tournament bracket is not set up on a strict region-by-region basis. Regions are intermixed as teams from adjacent regions are often matched up in the early rounds. As a rule of thumb, however, West and Midwest Region teams are usually put into the same section of the bracket due to geographic reasons. Therefore, all the teams within each of the bracket's four sections are seeded as a whole (1 thru 14, 15, or 16, depending upon how many teams are in the section), even though the selection committee doesn't actually release the seeds -- Pat more or less informally provides D3hoops.com readers with the seeds ex post facto on selection day so that readers have a point of reference.

It's quite likely that Webster would play at Wash U, given the geographic proximity of the two schools, but that's not set in stone. If another three- or four-team pod other than the one Wash U hosts needs a lower seed, or if Wash U stumbles and does not earn the right to host an opening-weekend pod, we could see the Gorloks moved elsewhere. All I can say at this early date is that it's as likely as not that Webster will be playing that opening weekend game at Wash U, and that wherever the Gorloks are placed in the bracket they'll probably be seeded so low that they'll have to play on their opponent's home floor in the opening round.

[BunchTime]

Thank you.  Glad to hear the feedback.  Now, I am not going to concern myself with these things until/if they earn a Tourney bid.  I was just curious as to how the whole seeding process goes and where the SLIAC team would possibly be sent.

[sully309]

Westminster beat Eureka 58-52 on Saturday. Taking nothing away from Westminster, but EC probably wins this one if Matt McComb could have played the 2nd half. He's been the most consistent player for the Red Devils since New Year's and easily could have made a 6-point difference. Instead, he took a scary spill right at the end of the 1st half and had to be carted off to the hospital. The longer he was motionless on the court the worse I felt about it, but he was able to talk to Coach Wilde on the phone after the and maybe the worst of it will be a concussion.

I'm not sure how long he will be out. I certainly hope he can play senior night against LCC. For a guy who's battled injuries his whole career at EC, this is not the way his senior year should end, that's for sure.

Eureka seemed to have the better of the game while Matt was in there in the 1st half. EC did not trail at all in the half and led 26-23. In the end, experience won out for Westminster even though Buxton had a rare quiet game offensively (2-for-10, 6 pts). The Blue Jays will be a tough out in the post season because they will not beat themselves. They have some guys that can come off the bench and help out and a veteran starting line up.

It looks like the Eureka/Greenville only matters for EC if Maryville loses 2 more games. That could happen, but it would take an upset by Principia or MacMurray.  Otherwise, EC could lose to GC and beat Webster to get in as long as Webster beats Maryville Wed. Even if Eureka beats Greenville Wed., EC will still need to beat Webster to finish ahead of Maryville thanks to the Saints win over Fontbonne last week.

[FU Fan]

Yes I'm sure Principia's AD and Coach will make it peachy.
That being the same coach who let this kid stay in the game so he commit a 5th foul.
Really--let someone hit you upside the head with a baseball bat and let's see how forgiving you become.
I've seen some serious injuries happen to kids before in more than one field of play and it is very unfortunate. Most have no where near the intention of that foul. He knew exactly what he was doing. I really don't think the coach missed it either.
If he's my player he goes to the locker room and is put under a team suspension at minimum.
These guys all play hard and it does get rough. The tough guys in this conference dish it out and take it pretty regularly. This guy is neither a player or a tough guy.
Adminstrate on that!

[FU Fan]

I personally think Greenville has a very good chance of getting in the tournament.
Don't take them lightly.
I see them picking it up.

[pantherpride06]

Alright  Now you've pissed me off.  I'm sure that Justin Meyers didn't wake up on Saturday and say, "I'm going to kick the snot out of this kid from Fontbonne and send him to the hospital."  Nor did Coach Sprague say in the locker room pre-game that I condone kicking the snot out of anyone on the floor.  You have got to be kidding me.

I'm also quite positive that Coach Sprague didn't pat Meyers on the back in the locker room.  If you honestly think that this guy should be kicked to the curb because of this incident, then you are insane.  Again, I don't know that I've ever seen this kid play or know a two cents about him.  But, my knowledge of folks from Principia and the staff there tells me, in good faith, that none of this was planned or that there was intent to do any harm.  Frustration foul?  Probably?  Intent to harm?  Absolutely Not.

FU Fan, you are seriously off your rocker on this one.

[SLIAC Man]

Pride I've seen this kid and he's dirty as sin.

My guess is that the coach didn't see it...but who knows.

[furbug]

FU Fan, you are seriously off your rocker on this one.

I did not see this incident. Panther, neither did you. BUT, I assume that FU Fan did. If it is as he described it, as well as the description I heard from someone else who did, then FU Fan is far from "off his rocker".

[pantherpride06]

Men.  If we honestly think that Justin Myers intent was to purposely hurt Brian Fogerty, then I'll retract my statements.  But, I cannot imagine that Justin Myers was out to hurt anyone.  As much as I've got text messages and phone calls from fcnews and called out by others, I'm sticking to my guns on this because I know there is no way Myers was intentionally trying to harm Fogerty.  In my five years and in watching every SLIAC sport, I never saw anyone go out to  intentionally harm someone.  In the first seven months here at Puget Sound, I haven't once watch a tackle in football, soccer, or basketball where there was intent to harm.

I am not saying that is wasn't a hard foul.  I'm not taking that away.  I realize it was it is a serious issue with Fogerty going to the hospital.  Do you think if the officials thought there was intent to harm, they would have ejected him from the basketball game?

Let's put our egos aside and our "I'm a big and bad fan of wherever" and analyze the situation a little bit.  Maybe is the "Administrator" in me coming out.  Maybe given my position, I shouldn't post on here.  However, i feel it's an interesting vantage point. 

Administrate this or that, whatever FU Fan.  Given your e-mail address, you are either a brother or father or close relative of Fogerty.  I'm not taking anything away from what happened.  But with you being as close to the situation as you are, I can see where you are as hot as a firecracker.  I also see where fcnews is upset because of his unique position to the program.

If the situation were turned around, I'm sure if someone would start bashing your guy, you'd go to bat for him.  I just think we are being over critical of this guy.  HE FLAGRANTLY FOULED FOGERTY.  I understand.  But, again, if there was intent to harm, the officials would have tossed him.

[sully309]

For those of you wanting this player kicked off the team...don't hold your breath. A Blackburn women's player sucker punched an opposing player last season and was only suspended 1 game. You can say that's not harsh enough of a penalty if you want, but the facts are the facts.

I wish people who did not see the Fontbonne/Prin game in question would stop commenting on this specific issue. If you want to make a general statement like "players who make fouls with the intent to injure should be kicked out of the league," that's your call, but please don't excuse or execute the guy without having seen the game.

I myself am not going to comment on what should happen because I did not see it. I feel bad when an athlete has to go to the hospital for any reason...and it's really a bad deal for the SLIAC when 2 of its best players (Fogerty and McComb) end up there on the same day. I hope both can get back on the court soon so we can get back to talking about basketball.

It should be mentioned that the foul in question must NOT have been viewed by the officials as a "flagrant foul" as I believe that would have constituted an immediate ejection. It may have been an intentional foul, but according to reports, he was allowed to stay in the game, so I don't think we should be calling it a flagrant foul when it wasn't called that way.

[pantherpride06]

Eureka_Sid, you are right.  I wasn't there.  And I'm not defending nor hanging him out to dry.  However, it seems that everyone else is.  As you mentioned in regards to the type of fouls called, it wasn't warranted a flagrant foul or cause for ejection.  Therefore, the stringing up on Myers is the only thing I'm questioning.

I agree that he should be penalized in some form or fashion.  I'm not doubting that.

I'll quit talking about it.

[formersliaccommish]

Just to set the record straight, the young lady Eureka SID spoke about was given a TWO game suspension and was put on probation until 1/30/08, the one year anniversary of the incident. Probation meant any further fighting or rough play by her would result in a long suspension. Had the victim been injured, the suspension would have been longer.

When handing out punishments, I always tried to change behavior and the probation was tacked on with that in mind.

I'm sure the new Commissioner will handle this case appropriately.

[Pat Coleman]

Thanks for the clarification -- I, in particular, appreciate your continued contribution.

[hopefan]

I have returned from a very tough 5 days out east - am looking forward to reinvigorating my psyche with Wednesday's games.  Sorry to hear about the Prin - Fontbonne incident - can only hope that Brian Fogerty will be able to recover completely.