MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[y_jack_lok]

As I posited earlier, maybe SLU needs him for his GPA this year! 

hmmm  maybe a new NCAA eligibility rule... average gpa per recruiting class... that 3.8 could pull a couple of 1.4's over the hump!!!!

I note the winking smiley face in the Ralph Turner post. But is that a concern for D1 programs? Not that it's an eligibility rule, of course, but does it factor in recruiting? Call me stupid for asking, if you want, but I don't know about such things and am curious.

[Ralph Turner]

As I posited earlier, maybe SLU needs him for his GPA this year! 

hmmm  maybe a new NCAA eligibility rule... average gpa per recruiting class... that 3.8 could pull a couple of 1.4's over the hump!!!!

I note the winking smiley face in the Ralph Turner post. But is that a concern for D1 programs? Not that it's an eligibility rule, of course, but does it factor in recruiting? Call me stupid for asking, if you want, but I don't know about such things and am curious.

That "winky" face is more precisely an "undecided" and definitely captures the issue that is present.

I am happy that Lisch is getting to play with his brother at SLU, but this board is definitely a sophisticated venue in which to explore this issue.

SLU press release on Lisch

[BunchTime]

Sorry I am little tardy on your response regarding Webster's recruits, Hopefan (and others). 

6 players should make an immediate impact for next season....

Kevin Miller...6'7"...Belleville East...freshman -- Huge body around 290 pounds.....good finisher around the basket and good foot work for his build.  Should be tough to handle in the SLIAC

Richard Ogunsalu...6'5"...Grossmont, CA...freshman -- Should add some size and bulk to the interior......MVP of San Diego league and avg 18 and 13 in a very tough conference.  Google his name and you can find articles and some box scores where he posted some 30 point 10 plus rebound games.

Jon Gillett...6'6"...Michigan native...College of Dupage...transfer -- Can play the high and low post......good shooter, passer, and rebounder.  Part time starter and 6th man for a very good juco program

Reggie Smith...6'2"...Chicago area...College of Dupage....transfer -- 2 year starter at the off guard.  Very athletic and has the ability to play the one or the two guard spots

Berton Wong...5'9" point guard from Hawaii...freshman -- Played for one of the best high school programs in the state of hawaii.....very smart and should add depth at the point guard positıon

Cyrus Collins...6'7"...transfer from MN -- Long and athletic and should add some depth to the high and low post for next season

This is the lastest recruiting news from Webster.  Sounds like Coach Bunch and Coach Siener put together another terrific class.  They continue to prove themselves as top-notch recruiters in the SLIAC.  Kudos to both Coaches!

[y_jack_lok]

Thanks for that great report BunchTime. Sounds like Webster has addressed the height issue created by the graduation of Hoggat, Robinson, and Kuhn.

Also sounds like these new players could definitely have an impact on the starting rotation. The returning players from last season with the most playing time, Turk, Hrdlicka, Niebrugge, Stiegemeier, and Whitcomb do not constitute a likely starting lineup. Certainly three of those guys -- maybe four -- could be part of a starting rotation, but there needs to be at least one big man. So it will be interesting to see who comes out on the floor at the start of the first game, and whether or not (or how much) that changes over time.

[SLIAC Man]

After a year playing D1 Basketball in St. Louis, no offense, who would want to go back to a D3?

[Gregory Sager]

After a year playing D1 Basketball in St. Louis, no offense, who would want to go back to a D3?

The answer to your question, "Who would want to go back [sic] to a D3?", is this: A redshirt who will be sitting at the far end of the bench if and when he becomes an active player and who will have no prayer of getting on the floor at all, except in extreme blowouts.

(The problem with your question, SLIAC Man, is that you chose the wrong verb in the first clause. The verb "playing" is not going to be applicable to Daniel Lisch at St. Louis University.)

Every year there are dozens of D1 players who transfer to D3 schools, and a key reason in the vast majority of cases is to get playing time. Not everyone is content to merely wear a uniform, you know. Some kids actually care about playing basketball.

[y_jack_lok]

Sager is absolutely correct. What's unusual about this situation is that it seems to be planned in advance. However, the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that this is precisely what is going to happen. What I wonder about is if Daniel Lisch will play four years for Fontbonne. Even if he redshirts at SLU and moves to D3 with 4 years of eligibility, he will most probably be abe to graduate in three years with the credits he transfers in from SLU. If he enters a graduate program at Fontbonne after finishing his undergrad degree, then he could play a 4th year for Fontbonne.

[hopefan]

lots to comment on....

Buncher, thanks so much for the Webster recruiting info   -  That is a very exciting list  -
I looked up Kevin Miller on the Post Dispatch site and he looks totally legit - he's played at outstanding level of competition, averaged double digit points, shoots over 50% from the field, 75% from the line, and rebounds.....  Given coach Bunch loves a game that focuses on getting the ball inside, this could be a great addition.    The thing I question is whether all the out of staters can find happiness and adjust to being at Webster . will the JCs get time immediately... if not, it can turn a pretty picture ugly quickly.  However, if the newcomers can blend in quickly, this class answers what I perceived as Websters two shortcomings going into the season... size, and some quality depth.   again, thanks Buncher, very exciting.

A shot at humor  -  watch out, SLU has one scholarship left - they might need another one year practice player from Bellville - better get Miller's tuition payment right away!!!!!!

As for Lisch, beyond the question of whether he stays at SLU or not, and the question important to SLIAC fans, is whether the Lisch family has the level of commitment to Fontbonne that FC has expected.  The year at SLU will undoubtedly open his eyes to numerous other possibilities - from his teammates comments to coach Majerus contacts to things he sees and reads over the year.   Higher level D3, scholarship D2, even low level D1   -  it's a year of waiting and holding their breath for Fontbonne....

[Gregory Sager]

Cyrus Collins...6'7"...transfer from MN -- Long and athletic and should add some depth to the high and low post for next season

To be precise, he's a junior transfer from Itasca Community College in Minnesota. He didn't appear to be an impact player there, but details from ICC's website and its league's website are skimpy. He played his high school ball at Minneapolis North.

[BunchTime]

Sager, thanks for the additional information.

[Pat Coleman]

North is traditionally very good in basketball.

[y_jack_lok]

Richard Ogunsalu...6'5"...Grossmont, CA...freshman -- Should add some size and bulk to the interior......MVP of San Diego league and avg 18 and 13 in a very tough conference.  Google his name and you can find articles and some box scores where he posted some 30 point 10 plus rebound games.

Go to this link for Ogunsalu's Senior year stats.
Click here

He is listed as a 6'5" guard. If he can play inside as well, then he could have quite an impact.

Modified for formatting-- Thanks for the link.

[hopefan]

Pabegg just put out a piece of info on the general pages that could impact the SLIAC   -  William Jewell, a college located in Liberty, Missouri, has been granted 1st year provisional NCAA D3 status next year.   Jewell would be a perfect addition to the SLIAC and a great location partner for current Westernmost SLIAC member Westminster.

I just think the world of Jewell, as it was the college my daughter went to and graduated from....  her four years of softball were rewarding, but more important, the school was able to motivate her to attend clases regularly and work hard enough to become a GOOD student when she entered as only an average one.   One of her professor went far beyond the call of duty inadvising her, and later lining her up for job interviews in her chosen field.

I saw a number of sports other than softball at Jewell   --    Jewell's 'major' sports, football and basketball received great support from the student body and the schools admin - crowds seemed far larger than what I have seen at SLIAC games and even at many Wash U games.

In the long term, if Jewell does make the move, there are a number of other Missouri/Kansas schools that could join them - Culver Stocton, William Wood, Columbia, Avila, Mid American Nazarene, Central Methodist just to name a few  -- even Lindenwood.    It's a long way away, but this could be the beginning of a major change in the Midlands for D3.

The basketball I saw at Jewell - maybe 3 or 4 games - was played at a level above SLIAC hoops, but of course these schools are currently NAIA and can offer some athletic $

[Ralph Turner]

Hopefan, I was looking at William Jewell in relationship to the Nebraska schools that are joining.  183 miles from Wm Jewell to Concordia NE.  225 from Wm Jewell to Fontbonne.

I also wonder how many more GPAC schools would move to D3.   

[Gregory Sager]

Hopefan, I was looking at William Jewell in relationship to the Nebraska schools that are joining.  183 miles from Wm Jewell to Concordia NE.  225 from Wm Jewell to Fontbonne.

I also wonder how many more GPAC schools would move to D3.   

I was thinking the same thing. The trickle might become a flood.