MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

The Bowling Hall of Fame is moving to Arlington, Texas.

And this from Sager: "The word is out that the new Bowling Hall of Fame in Arlington is going to have a hole in the roof, so that God can smell the disinfectant spray from the rental shoes. "

We could go off on some theological tangents here. In four years of league bowling I heard the name of God invoked many times, so I figured s/he was inside the bowling alley and is already familiar with the smell of disenfectant, thus rendering unnecessary the need for the hole in the roof of the new hall of fame.

I was actually making a joke about the Dallas Cowboys and their stadium, which is not too far from where the Bowling Hall of Fame will be relocated. It was probably a bit of a reach on my part.

[fcnews]

Sliac Season Openers-

Rockford (0-25 last season) beats GC 79-68 @ Greenville
Central Missouri beats WC 82-48 (CMS loss to Austin Peay by 5)

[y_jack_lok]

But still no score posted for MacMurray and Elmhurst on either school's website.

[HCACBBALL]

Elmhurst wins 91-65

[y_jack_lok]

Thanks HCAC. I had just checked the Elmhurst website before reading your post and it gives the score as 88-63. Doesn't matter which is correct, a 20+ point loss by Mac means that all three SLIAC men's teams lost yesterday.

[fcnews]

I'm going to try and ask this question again. Does anyone viewing from MacMurray know what happen to Brady Greene? I know for a fact he was in school their last spring, I had a nice chat with him at the FU @ Mac game last year.

[hopefan]

disappointing performance from Greenville - not what a contending team in the SLIAC would hope to accomplish against a team with the worst record in D3 last year.....  maybe Rockford got better quickly???  I hope.

[JWJ]

This poster is not one of those that is intrigued by their transformation. And, they aren't making it any easier.
ie: The first SLIAC team to charge at the gate.

I see this as a direct conflict with the SLIAC Charter. And, after this year, we will not be hearing a word about this team in March for three years.

While it may be a conflict with the SLIAC Charter, it is not a conflict with current Conference policy which was changed within the last year or two permitting institutions make their own decision on charging admission. 

And if everyone knew the additional scrutiny Maryville is under this year from the Conference, people would not be as concerned of an uneven playing field.

[y_jack_lok]

And if everyone knew the additional scrutiny Maryville is under this year from the Conference, people would not be as concerned of an uneven playing field.

JWJ, I apologize for having to ask this questions, but I do not understand what you mean by the above. Can you elaborate a little bit for me?

[JWJ]

And if everyone knew the additional scrutiny Maryville is under this year from the Conference, people would not be as concerned of an uneven playing field.

JWJ, I apologize for having to ask this questions, but I do not understand what you mean by the above. Can you elaborate a little bit for me?

The Conference is requiring Maryville to make their recruiting contact and compliance documentation available to the Conference for review.  Other information is  required to be submitted but do not recall what that is.  Any indication Maryville is not 100 percent in compliance with D-III regulations and they will be made ineligible for Conference championships & tournaments, and will be reported to the NCAA as being in violation.

Maryville is eligible for Conference titles & AQ because they are eligible for D-III Championships.  They are eligible for D-III Championships because they have declared they will be in compliance with D-III rules and not transition to D-II rules until after this academic year.  Any violation of that and the institution will not be eligible for D-III championships, will be delayed (or thrown out) in the D-II transitional process.

[hopefan]

JWJ  -  interesting stuff - but I think the documentation is essential to keeping the integrity of the conference solid during Maryville's transition.  I have had no doubt, unlike implications or accusations from other fans, that Maryville has been in compliance with whatever regulations have been presented, but governance by the SLIAC remains critical.


What I find annoying about the $6 fee is that the students should be free, the families of players both home and away should be free   -   for a typical Maryville crowd, that leaves a potential gate of approximately 10 to 20 paying customers for an average game, a handful more for local opponents Webster and Fontbonne.  Does Maryville really need that $100 gate at the risk of annoying the handful of real Div 3 or Maryville fans that would rather spend the night in the gym  than at home watching Div 1 games?

Oops, I almost forgot  -  Maryville  not D3, where it's for the love of the game, but Div 2, where it is starting to be for the $   .....        What a horrible decision.....

[Titan Q]

Oops, I almost forgot  -  Maryville  not D3, where it's for the love of the game, but Div 2, where it is starting to be for the $   .....        What a horrible decision.....

1) As discussed above, several D3 teams charge $5 or $6 for admission...like Elmhurst, for example.  Elmhurst is a D3 school "where it is for the love of the game", so how is the decision to charge admission a D2 vs D3 issue?

2) What revenue is Maryville getting for going D2 ("where it is starting to be for the $...")?  As far as I understand, as a D2 they will be dishing out scholarship money to student-athletes - isn't that a huge loss of money?  What new revenue stream from being D2 would make up for that and make the decision to go D2 "for the $"?

3) I'd suggest that those of us who haven't run a small college athletic department not question what $100 or $200 means to a school.  Seems to me that would help in paying meal money, etc., etc.

[y_jack_lok]

The Conference is requiring Maryville to make their recruiting contact and compliance documentation available to the Conference for review.  Other information is  required to be submitted but do not recall what that is.  Any indication Maryville is not 100 percent in compliance with D-III regulations and they will be made ineligible for Conference championships & tournaments, and will be reported to the NCAA as being in violation.

Maryville is eligible for Conference titles & AQ because they are eligible for D-III Championships.  They are eligible for D-III Championships because they have declared they will be in compliance with D-III rules and not transition to D-II rules until after this academic year.  Any violation of that and the institution will not be eligible for D-III championships, will be delayed (or thrown out) in the D-II transitional process.

JWJ, thanks for that explanation. I get it now.

As for Maryville charging admission, I will say here what I said on the women's board when Maryville was being discussed, but in another context: "I hope the end of this academic year will bring an end to the extensive discussion about Maryville's move to D2. It's their school and they can do what they want."

[fcnews]

I'd like to comment on few of the above posts.

1.) What Hopefan said about SLIAC game crowd is true. Students and athlete families already pay enough to attend these schools. Why gig them for a few more bucks to come watch their kids.

2.) Couple of extra hundred will help with meal money. PLEEEEEZ!!!

3.) Money loss to scholarships? People have the misconception that they will just be handing out "Full Rides". Like most NAIA schools, MU will be sending these kids through the normal financial aid procedures. What they don't qualify for like normal students will be then picked up. Not the full 28,000 (?). Each team will most likely have a dollar budgeted. 4,000 here 6, 000 there. After, state and federal aid, how much does it cost a school to fill an extra chair in a class already on the schedule.

4.) The SLIAC has to scrutinize this prossess. What if a MU team qualifies for a NCAA Tournament or Championship, and an institution outside the conference finds irregularities. The SLIAC can not put it's self in a situation that may cost the remaining schools any AQ's.

5.) I beleive Hopefan was saying D3 is played for the love of the game. D2 does mean the kids are playing for scholarship $$$$.

6.) It is the current student-athletes that will feel the most pain. No scholarship, no post season.

[Titan Q]

I'd like to comment on few of the above posts.

1.) What Hopefan said about SLIAC game crowd is true. Students and athlete families already pay enough to attend these schools. Why gig them for a few more bucks to come watch their kids.

Maryville charges students and family members to get in?  I have a hard time believing that.