MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

Interesting take from a non-WIACer.  Thanks Drake!

It still amazes me that Stout can be as successful as they are with basically a "small" lineup.  ... in the burly, physical world of the WIAC?  I'm impressed.

With the run and jump, pressing style of defense that Stout plays, smaller quicker players work quite well.  Of course, bigger, quicker players would be even better, but thos guys are usually snatching up scholarships somewhere.

WW struck me as a team that you're not as impressed with their individual players so much, but the total team they put out on the floor.

It's ironic that you mentioned the Whitewater TEAM.  If you look back at page 20, we had a discussion about how Whitewater had great PLAYERS but didn't play as a team.  (Interestingly, there are also a few ideas about how the conference would filter out... it's worth a look!).

I think, especially if they are playing well as a team, they will put themselves in good position for the conference title.  There's a pretty big game on Wednesday, as Oshkosh travels to Williams to play the Warhawks.  If Oshkosh wins, they keep themselves in pace with the leaders.  If Whitewater wins, they keep themselves in the lead, and the conference really separates itself.

[bulk19]

OK - Just to stir things up a bit here, and a few numbers to chew on... 

Unofficial results, from checking box scores, indicate:
Technical fouls
UWEC - 1 , Opponents - 1 (vs. Oshkosh, late, in close game lost)
UWRF - 3, Opponents - 3 (2 vs. Oshkosh, late, in close game lost)
WW - 2, Opponents- 1 (insignificant and one vs. Stout that was in a close loss)
UWL - 3, Opponents - 0 (insignificant)
UWSP - 0, Opponents - 2 (insignificant)
UWP - 1, Opponents - 2 (two close non-conference wins)
UW Superior - could not pull up individual box scores
UW Stout - 3, Opponents - 6 (two games here; I'll let a Blue Devil poster, since I know there are a few here, comment on if they were factors vs. wins vs. Augustana and Whitewater...)
UWO - 0, Opponents - 5 (including 3 vs. RF and EC in wins)

So, in the three most affected conference games, that I can see by the box scores, anyway, Stout comes away with a w vs. Whitetwater and Oshkosh posts Ws. vs RF and EC.

More numbers to munch on:
Personal Fouls
RF - 244, Opponents - 212
EC - 269, Opponents - 254
Superior - 227, Opponents - 222
UWW - 261, Opponents - 316
UWL - 269, Opponents - 221
Stout - 247, Opponents - 261
UWP - 272, Opponents - 251
UWSP - 278, Opponents - 278!
UWO - 236, Opponents - 327

[laxeagles1]

  La Crosse dispatched Superior with a workmanlike 79-62 win over a game but overmatched 'Jackets squad which has 9 freshmen on its roster. Marcus Conigliaro led the way with a stellar shooting night, and Billy Kegler stepped up with a 4-5 shooting effort in 19 mins. off the bench. Continued development of Kegler's skills will be vital for next season, when the loss of Owen and Bemis will leave the front line a tad thin. Most impressive last night, however, was Leonard Cobb of Superior. He outscored Joe Werner 21-11, and had 8 boards to Joe's 3. An impressive showing. I got to talk to Mr. Cobb briefly after the game, and found him to be an impressive person as well. Superior is having a tough year, and is not well represented on our board, but Mr. Cobb deserves to be better known.

brian, sounds like lax is really turning it around.  i haven't seen many games this year do to work and some family obligations that are much more important than bball at this time........it's great to see they have the makings of a winner.........alot of credit has to go to coach koelbl in this..........i have dogged him but it looks like he has a cohesive unit with a great future player in brandon brown........alot of credit goes to coach Koelbl in that.........

btw a nice read on chris ask in the lax tribune about a vascular problem in his arm........it's great to see both the lax men's and women's squads getting some press locally here

[chmarx]

I agree with Brian on the La Crosse win over Superior.  Its nice to see him say nice things about Kegler! 

[abercrombie92]

horrible officating in rf/osh game!

Refs never ever should make a call in the last few seconds of a close game unless it is absolutely blatant! That was definetly not the case here!

RF deserved to win that game and it is too bad the officials took that right from them! What shouldve been one of the best weeks in recent years for the Falcons, Wins over Stout and Oshy!

I'm out!

[BDB]

BDBOb – I stopped by from MIAC land for my 2nd annual visit to Johnson fieldhouse to watch UW-Stout play.  Although you had a nice crowd, it was quite different from a year ago when the place was packed to the rafters & the atmosphere was electric for the game against Stevens Point.


Both offensively & defensively, the Nonemacher twins seem to have improved considerably from last year when I saw them play.  Out of curiosity does Andrist normally start John over Jake Nonemacher?  Jake seems to be the better of the two players.

Drake Palmer,

Great takes on the Stout team. You obviously know the game and have an eye for the details of a team.
Jake Nonemacher has a hip pointer, so Eddie started John in his place. John has been playing very well. Even with the injury, you saw that Whitewater had no answer for Jake when he was in there. Jake is a junior and John is a sophomore as far as eligibility is concerned. So Jake just plain has had more floor time. I think John is really coming on this year as well.
As far as the crowd, with school still out it's always a little different than when the students are around.
When you make your 3rd annual visit to Johnson Fieldhouse, give me a shout and we'll compare notes at the half.

[John Gleich]

Bulk,

Those are interesting numbers... but I'm not really sure if they show anything.

First, with the overall fouls...  can we say that if a team fouls more, then they perform better?  Point is leading conference, and leading in most fouls committed (doesn't hold for WW, shhh... it ruins my point) and Superior is last in conference and has committed the fewest fouls.

I'm not sure what to say about the technicals either.  One thought is this... the games where there have been technicals that have seemingly cost a team the game were where the underdog was close and had victory at their fingertips... and they didn't get it because of a call or something else that caused a player/coach to blow up (at least that's what it seems like in the two situations with Oshkosh).  Who is to blame in all of that?  Well, ...  maybe Oshkosh?  For allowing teams that aren't as good (or didn't think they were as good, perhaps?) to still be in the game and think they had a chance to win?  This may be more of a stretch than my fouls comments above, but...Bulk said he wanted to stir things up!!

[cubs]

horrible officating in rf/osh game!

It doesn't matter what team you were cheering for, it's pretty hard to see an offensive foul called in that situation.  I would think no matter who the coach is, (Eddie, TVD, RB, etc...) they would all be upset to see a charge called at that point in the game.  So many times you will see that same type of play get a "no-call" in the middle of the game, and that probably would have been the proper call in that situation.

One question I do have after looking at who officiated the game, was which official called the charge, and the ensuing technical fouls??  I have always thought that Dave Keliher was one of the better officials in this conference (along with Mike Bunge and Brad Presentin) and noticed he was one of the officials for the UWO/UWRF game.  Sometimes your partners can make the whole team look like "poor officials" or maybe Dave just had an "off-game" just like players do.

[abercrombie92]

After watching the game tape over and over, Kossoris was called for over the back! Hoeg shot and missed bounced a few times on rim and kossoris tipped it in, noone was around him so i dunno if the ref just messed up and thought he saw somethin or called the foul on kossoris and meant to say different # on someone else no idea!

RF was celebrating the win! This should be brought to the WIAC commitee and loooked at!

RF deserves the win!

[cubs]

RF was celebrating the win! This should be brought to the WIAC commitee and loooked at!

RF deserves the win!

Who knows though, 0:04 is A LOT of time.  UWO would have gotten the ball and may have made a shot at the buzzer and then they would have been celebrating the win.  I guess we'll never know.

[titan2000]

RF was celebrating the win! This should be brought to the WIAC commitee and loooked at!

RF deserves the win!

Who knows though, 0:04 is A LOT of time.  UWO would have gotten the ball and may have made a shot at the buzzer and then they would have been celebrating the win.  I guess we'll never know.

Did you notice if a large number of rats ran into the Kolf Center when the victory buzzer sounded, again rejoining the ship before it set sail for Whitewater this week ?

[bulk19]

Point Special -

Not sure exactly what points I was making about fouls, either. Ha. Since my NBA fantasy basketball teams all stink, I needed a quick fix on stats, and turned to fouls, based on the Oshkosh Ts vs. EC and River Falls...

I was just curious as to what the numbers were. And everyone can form their own conclusions and have their own opinions, I guess, since so many factors enter into it - a team is trailing and wants to create turnovers, or get boards off missed FTs.

Maybe the refs are having a bad night, or a good night?, as the case may be? or maybe aren't letting them play, or maybe it is just flat out a rough/tough physical game.... Some of them could be mental mistakes, too, by underclassmen, or whatever...

But I was mainly interested in the Ts, since UWEC's Gibbons quietly got one vs. the Titans, as did RF. Cost them both. But I don't want to rehash all my recent old (is that an oxymoron, or what?) posts, but that was why I looked them up... Was hoping to get a rise out of a few Titans, just because they have a better basketball team this year, and they beat our football team, too... 

But the two stats I found most interesting were the disparity between Oshkosh and opponents, and the Pointers, too. If I did my math right, UWSP and their opponents each had the same amount of personal fouls. Not that that means anything, it's just what are the odds of that happening??? Pretty freaky...

So, how is Coach Bennett doing? Is he going to any of the games? And his less talented brother, Dick? Ha. His team just had a big win the other night. What a great hoops family that is... We in Wisconsin were lucky to have seen them all - Dick, Jack, Jay,  Nick, Kathy, and of course, Tony...

[BDB]

bulk19,

I only remember 2 technical fouls on Stout this year. One was for a wrong number in the book, another was when a player called a time out when the team had none left. 

[bulk19]

BlueDevil Bob-

Yep, you might be correct. I think I gave Stout an extra technical foul, and opponents an extra, too. Numbers should read Stout 2 and Opponents 5, if I did my math correctly this time through. Thank goodness I didn't graduate from a WIAC school with a degree in math, or I'd never hear the end of it. Ha. And it kind of explains why my fantasy basketball teams are stinking up the place. Ha.

So, how much of an impact did the Augustana and Whitewater Ts have on outcome of the game? Did they kill momentum, as they seemed to do in the Oshkosh vs. UWEC and RFs games?

Not making excuses, and like I said, not sure what point I am making here. Just stirring up the pot here. Ha. But the fact that the Stout Ts weren't called on the coach, and the ones against UWEC and RFs were, just fuels my conspiracy theory here. 

[BDB]

bulk19,

The T on the Whitewater coach had no effect on the games outcome. The Augustana T was in a game that Stout only won by 4 points, so it could be argued that it made a difference. Hard to say.
The loss to the BlueDevils is the only one Augustana has on the season.