MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Just Bill]

From Badger Blog on JSOnline.com:

... Jared Jenkins, a graduate of Milwaukee King High School who was a standout wide receiver and punter at Division III UW-Stevens Point, signed with the Detroit Lions.

Not exactly Bball news but congratulations to Jared - joins THE best DTackle in the NFL (Ndamukong Suh)!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/126259683.html

Short stay in Detroit for Jenkins: http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8/1/2310221/detroit-lions-maurice-stovall-jared-jenkins

Maybe a return to UWSP?

He couldn't play football, because he collected a check for his time in Detroit, but I suppose he could return and play basketball. Not sure on where is eligibility stands.

[John Gleich]

From Badger Blog on JSOnline.com:

... Jared Jenkins, a graduate of Milwaukee King High School who was a standout wide receiver and punter at Division III UW-Stevens Point, signed with the Detroit Lions.

Not exactly Bball news but congratulations to Jared - joins THE best DTackle in the NFL (Ndamukong Suh)!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/126259683.html

Short stay in Detroit for Jenkins: http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8/1/2310221/detroit-lions-maurice-stovall-jared-jenkins

Maybe a return to UWSP?

He couldn't play football, because he collected a check for his time in Detroit, but I suppose he could return and play basketball. Not sure on where is eligibility stands.

I'm not 100% sure... but the rule is that you have 10 semesters to participate in 8 semesters (per sport).  He's all washed up for football (obviously) but he should technically have 3 more semesters left to play in two on the hardcourt....

The only way that wouldn't be true was if he had attended UWSP the year before his freshman eligibility.... i.e. grayshirting in both basketball and football.

I don't think he did, but I might be wrong.

If he did that, then he would only have one more semester left and we'd have a situation like Stout had mid-year.

I have no idea if he is thinking of coming back to Point to finish up his degree or if there are other possibilities with football out there, but if he is back, then it helps Point a bunch, especially in the size department.

[John Gleich]

I'm starting to get the itch...

School starts in less than a month. 


I've seen a few rumors, like the ones above, about kids that aren't going where we thought they were... but did anybody put together a "recruits" post this spring/summer about who is going where?

I don't recall seeing one, but I may have missed it.

And if we don't have one yet, anybody want to start one to get some more chatter going about this coming season?

[ShineTime]

I hate to even say this but Whitewater is going to have a good chance of going unbeaten in conference this year.  Whose really even close talent wise to stay with them?  Not saying Point will be bad but I don't think Point will be the typical dominate Point this year.

[cubs]

I hate to even say this but Whitewater is going to have a good chance of going unbeaten in conference this year.  Whose really even close talent wise to stay with them?  Not saying Point will be bad but I don't think Point will be the typical dominate Point this year.

Take it you didn't like the answers you got to the same question you posed back in May?

Just to refresh your memory:

Whitewater may go unbeaten in the WIAC next year which is unheard of.  Why do they always seem to get the big time recruits?

Don't over-react or anything......   There hasn't been an undefeated team in WIAC play since Platteville went undefeated in 1997-98 and won the National Championship.  (They actually went undefeated not just in WIAC play, but overall as well.)

[badgerwarhawk]

As usual the league should be very competitive this year.   Going undefeated is a tall order.  I expect the WARHAWKS to be very competitive and in the mix.  Alot of things happen in the course of a season some good, some bad.  So we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.  

[frodotwo]

No schedule posted yet, but the Pointers will be playing the Badgers in early November in an exhibition match.

[John Gleich]

No schedule posted yet, but the Pointers will be playing the Badgers in early November in an exhibition match.

Of all the Pointer teams of the last 8 years, this one probably has the least chance of success against the Badgers (except for maybe the 05-06 team, after the second championship).

Not that I think any Point team would have beaten the Badgers... I mean, there's a small possibility (but that always exists, no matter who the opponent is) but a few could have completed well, like in the exhibition against Marquette in 04-05.

[frodotwo]

No schedule posted yet, but the Pointers will be playing the Badgers in early November in an exhibition match.

Of all the Pointer teams of the last 8 years, this one probably has the least chance of success against the Badgers (except for maybe the 05-06 team, after the second championship).

Not that I think any Point team would have beaten the Badgers... I mean, there's a small possibility (but that always exists, no matter who the opponent is) but a few could have completed well, like in the exhibition against Marquette in 04-05.

That was and probably will always be the best team Point has ever produced, topping the '83-84 NAIA runners-up led by Terry Porter.

[hoops2]

Frodo,

Don't know if I'd give the nod to the 04-05 team.   They were both very good but I'm not sure the early team wasn't better defensivly which I think would have been a problem for the younger Pointers.   It's an interesting topic though.

[frodotwo]

Frodo,

Don't know if I'd give the nod to the 04-05 team.   They were both very good but I'm not sure the early team wasn't better defensivly which I think would have been a problem for the younger Pointers.   It's an interesting topic though.

The saying goes that defense wins championships and the 83-84 team was statistically better defensively, but they also hold Pointer offensive team records as well for best fg % in a season and assists as well. A team that included Terry Porter, Tim Naegeli, Craig Hawley, and Todd Christianson is certainly nothing to sneeze at. Taking a closer look at this team I may just change my mind. It's hard to compare two teams 20 years apart, and I'm likely giving more weight to a 2-time defending national champ over a team that lost in OT by 2 pts against a team that ended up being repeat champion the following year.

[John Gleich]

I'm not sure on the timing, but wasn't 83-84 the last year prior to the three point line?

That would likely have a big difference in terms of the style being played.

Also, I think 83-84 was in the pre-shot clock era.  (implemented in '85-'86, per Wikipedia).  I'm not going to say that they played stall ball... but here are the Pointer records for defensive points per game:

Fewest Points Allowed Per Game-Season
47.9 1984-85
48.7 1983-84
53.3 1981-82
53.6 1980-81
53.7 1982-83

All during the Dick Bennett era, all prior to the shot clock.


Now, to be true, 83-84 did hold the record for largest average margin of victory until the record was taken by last year's Pointer team:

Largest Average Margin of Victory-Season
21.5 2010-11
19.7 1983-84
17.5 1982-83
17.1 2004-05
16.8 1984-85
15.8 2006-07
15.7 1991-92


And while the 83-84 team was only bettered by the team a year later, they are on the total points in a season list:

Most Points Scored-Season
2491 2003-04 (34 games)
2443 2009-10 (33)
2372 2006-07 (29)
2369 2010-11 (30)
2343 2004-05 (32)
2330 1991-92 (29)
2290 2007-08 (30)
2188 1989-90 (28)
2188 1983-84 (32)

But that likely is a product of playing more games.  Strapping them up and running out on the floor more times means that there's simply more of a chance to score points, plain and simple.  The ppg from 83-84 compared to 06-07 is 13 points per game (81.1 vs. 68.4).

And having the extra time on offense to work through and get a good shot has the outcome of getting higher percentage shots... often-times assisted.

I remember we used to run a defensive drill at practice that had a 40 or 45 second shot clock.  At a certain point, the defense just breaks down... even for a good defensive team.  That happens much quicker against a poor defensive team, but as long as you take care of the ball, eventually the defense will break... and you'll get a great shot.

In many respects, though, that flies in the face of my argument, I'm just realizing... it should be more difficult to stop people, eventually... if they take care of the ball and work it around.  But therein lies the difference.  Most teams do not value the basketball the way that it *should* be valued (in my opinion) which leads to turnovers and missed opportunities.... and thus fewer points.

So, in conclusion... longer possessions can have the effect of being more efficient if you take care of the ball.


What I found interesting in all of this was the conference record for points against per game....  It's from Platteville in 1997:

http://wiacsports.com/documents/2010/6/23/MenBasketballTeamRecords.pdf?id=131

They didn't have the benefit of milking the clock with no shot clock... pretty impressive.

[Greek Tragedy]

Jared Jenkins signs with the Rams.  Hope it lasts longer than his stay with the Lions!

[chmarx]

Good luck to him.

[Just Bill]

Good luck to him.

And he's been cut by the Rams after just one day.