MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Hoops Junkie]

come on Falcons 12-0 run, lets go

[uww4ever]

I was streaming that one while listening to the WW game on the radio.  Sounds comletely different when shots are falling in WW by both teams (I think NW has hit 13 of them) but man, 1 of 10 from 3 for RF, are they usually better shooters?  I see that during the year, NW lost to La Crosse and Superior, RF beat St. Thomas but an unusual stat, WW beat Edgewood pretty handly (by almost 30) and beat IWU by 12 or 13, and those two teams handled UWSP and UWRF!  Granted, 1 of the Tillemas was out but RF at home.  Not seen a first round game home team from the WIAC get blown out like that. 

Davis with 34.  Pretty much a fabulous effort.  Hopefully we didn't shoot ourselves out of tomorrow night because wow we hit a lot of threes and so did NW, but for the most part they were contested. 

GO HAWKS.  FINAL, 83 TO 67 OR 68. 

[John Gleich]

Another issue Point had at the end of the year was Trevor Hass not playing to his potential.  He played really well at the beginning-middle of the season and just kind of fell off the map at the end.  Doesn't seem to fit in Semling's system in my opinion.  From what I seen throughout the year other than lacking enough big guys was the lack of guys that could create their own shot.  Tyler obviously is elite and basically set up Giordana and Hass on the 3 point line but those guys are spot shooters and can't really get their own shot.  I like Ryf but don't think he'll ever be more than a solid role player and was basically forced into playing PG for an elite D3 team when he wasn't ready.  I think Point was great this year considering they had obvious holes and probably would've finished about 22-6 or 23-5 with Tyler all year.  Pretty impressive considering this was one of the least talented overall tms they've had in several years with exception of Dan and Tyler.

A couple of quick points...

Hass did trail off towards the end of the season... but everyone did with the exception of Brezinski.  One thing that's certainly true about JB that wasn't about the rest of the team is that Jordan is STRONG.

Part of the reason that certain guys trailed off during the season is the same reason why they trailed off during games.  Point really lacked depth this year so the guys that COULD play, did.  But honestly, I don't know what anyone could have expected coming into the season with everything that transpired in the off-season.  Another 20 win season?  10th in 11 seasons?  Not likely!  These guys were ONE conference win away from a conference championship!

Sure the end was nothing like we're used to at Point (and as such, the record isn't what we're used to either).  But

Plain and simple, SP got pounded tonight by a bigger but definitely stronger IWU team.  As much as the individual players need to work on their games over the summer to get better, they need to get in the weight room.

All of that said, though, IWU got 14 more shots than Point... and Point had 12 more turnovers.  A lot of those were fixable errors... starting to take a jumper then trying to pass.  SP had been hitting the boards hard (and effectively) the last few games, so guys were looking for the rebound.  Even if they're open, if they're not expecting it, it isn't a good pass!

Clean that up and we might have had more of a game!  There were some stretches with 2 and 3 turnovers in a row after shaving down the lead.  If SP wants to get back to the levels previously attained, ya can't do that.

I disagree about Ryf.  He's a freshman playing PG in one of the toughest leagues in the country.  He was thrown into the situation.  Give me an example of another PG who has come in as a freshman and shined.  The ones I can think of had good stretches... but struggled too.  Same as Ryf.  He's going against some chiseled grown men who are 3 years older than he is.  He's got a decent body... pretty strong and compact, yet still quick.  He can get even stronger and become a better defender (he's already pretty good at setting the tone... he got handled tonight by a very talented senior PG in IWU's PG) and shooter.  He's got a year under his belt and will probably be running the show for the next three years.

On a different note, though... what should we really expect from a point guard?  I don't think 20 PPG is really what you're looking for.  I go back to the first two championships... with Relerford and Krajnik.  Those guys were excellent defenders who didn't turn it over.  They weren't flashy guys... but they got the job done.  They could hit big shots when called upon, but they weren't alone in that... the whole team was filled with great shooters.

Go forward to El-Amin.  He was more of a threat to go off offensively but still looked to distribute more.  And he certainly had a lot of weapons around him. 

[John Gleich]

Another issue Point had at the end of the year was Trevor Hass not playing to his potential.  He played really well at the beginning-middle of the season and just kind of fell off the map at the end.  Doesn't seem to fit in Semling's system in my opinion.  From what I seen throughout the year other than lacking enough big guys was the lack of guys that could create their own shot.  Tyler obviously is elite and basically set up Giordana and Hass on the 3 point line but those guys are spot shooters and can't really get their own shot.  I like Ryf but don't think he'll ever be more than a solid role player and was basically forced into playing PG for an elite D3 team when he wasn't ready.  I think Point was great this year considering they had obvious holes and probably would've finished about 22-6 or 23-5 with Tyler all year.  Pretty impressive considering this was one of the least talented overall tms they've had in several years with exception of Dan and Tyler.

Exactly right, Tyler basically set up everyone on the team for open looks all season long...without him, they are just a completely different team.  Hass did struggle mightily the second half of the season but I don't think it's that he doesn't fit Semling's system.  He is a shooter, and shooters can flourish in any system.  It comes down to, like you say, guys that can create their own shot and create shots for their teammates.  Tyler was that guy for Point and when he went down, nobody could fill his shoes and Point turned into a selfish ball club.  Dan forced way too many shots and forced drives to the hoop which caused turnovers.  If Tyler stays healthy and Point can find some bigs, next year I think will be a special team.

I don't know that selfish is the right word.  I do agree that Dan forced it too much... but I think he felt that he had to.  Without Tyler, he had to create everything for himself.

[BoBo]

WW LEADS 46 TO 33 AT HALFTIME.  DAVIS ALREADY W/ 21 AND 3 THREES!!!!  Not getting ahead of myself but I'm streaming uwrf and should be at the uww game but I'm too old to be chilling w/ students   but I might have to go back for the first time since Kory Vernon was still there in the playoffs the last time we hosted a pod.  The students came through and really showed up.  The anouncer said that they are full and have the big heads of the players but it doesn't sound very loud or anything.  But then again it's WW.

Probably one of the better halves we've had in the playoffs.  Keep it up Hawks!

I watched the video stream. Small crowd (box score shows 628), not sure what the announcer was talking about (although only showed pictures of the seating on the bench side.  Looked and sounded to me like the few fans there were sitting on their hands much of the time. The big images of players heads were cute and were actually larger than the size of the crowd!! The size of the crowd overall was embarrassing, IMO. 

The video stream I watched of the 2nd half of UWSP/IWU @ Hope showed the complete opposite view - full house.  The home fans packed that place to the gills. And it looks like a lot bigger facility than at UWW.

[Falcons04]

Disappointing loss for RF tonight.  RF played the worst they have all year until they were down 24 and then turned it on to get within 5 with less than a minute remaining.  Nothing went right, but Edgewood came ready to play and was impressive until they started turning it over at the end.  #2 Wisniewski was particularty impressive for EC, hitting shots all over the place.  Others also hit some timely shots as the shot clock was winding down, including a 30' three at one point.  I'd have to think that was about as good as they've played all year, other than maybe FT shooting.

RF started like they would roll over EC and seemed stunned in the first half when EC didn't get intimidated.  Maybe that wasn't the case, but they looked as lost as I've seen this year.  We all thought the size matchup would help RF but they spent so much time trying to go inside, and the quicker defenders for EC really bothered RF on the entry passes.

RF players never gave up and got back into the game, but the start was too slow to overcome.  The seniors leaving had one of the best 2 year runs in the last 50 years of Falcon basketball..........it was fun to watch.  Bittersweet though, as they had two shots at the conference title and a great shot to advance this year.   

[kestrel]

Forgotten during the 30 minutes of UWRF's miserable play (i.e., 40% from the line and 1/10 from behind the arc at one point) were Edgewood's four answered prayers:  three long range field goals scored a fraction of a second before the time clock sounded and a UWRF basket that was waved off because it bounced high off the rim and edged the top of the backboard (technically out of bounds) before falling through.  Remove fickle fate and undeserving UWRF would have won by 2 or 3.

[uww4ever]

I didn't see the stream. The radio announce said that it was pretty good. Oh well.

[frodotwo]

I was streaming that one while listening to the WW game on the radio.  Sounds comletely different when shots are falling in WW by both teams (I think NW has hit 13 of them) but man, 1 of 10 from 3 for RF, are they usually better shooters?  I see that during the year, NW lost to La Crosse and Superior, RF beat St. Thomas but an unusual stat, WW beat Edgewood pretty handly (by almost 30) and beat IWU by 12 or 13, and those two teams handled UWSP and UWRF! Granted, 1 of the Tillemas was out but RF at home.  Not seen a first round game home team from the WIAC get blown out like that. 

Davis with 34.  Pretty much a fabulous effort.  Hopefully we didn't shoot ourselves out of tomorrow night because wow we hit a lot of threes and so did NW, but for the most part they were contested. 

GO HAWKS.  FINAL, 83 TO 67 OR 68.

Not exactly sure what two teams "handled" Point, but it was not Edgewood, who lost to the Pointers by 11 on their court. IWU did indeed beat Point minus their best all around player. Oh and Point did beat WW twice by the way.

[uww4ever]

Thanks for the analysis frodotwo, I tend to post without fully analyzing everybody's schedule or using correct syntax, just pointing out that WW beat the two teams that took out the others in the WIAC.  But I'm sure the two wins against the conference champion (regular season) is really thrilling to say the least!

WW up 36 to 20.  Sounds a little bit louder tonight.  WW playing really well and I wish I had charter.   

[BoBo]

Thanks for the analysis frodotwo, I tend to post without fully analyzing everybody's schedule or using correct syntax, just pointing out that WW beat the two teams that took out the others in the WIAC.  But I'm sure the two wins against the conference champion (regular season) is really thrilling to say the least!

WW up 36 to 20.  Sounds a little bit louder tonight.  WW playing really well and I wish I had charter.

You can watch online streaming video HERE

[uww4ever]

I tried that one before. During the starting lineup on the radio it was saying "couldn't find stream".  Thanks!

[uww4ever]

Cody O is on fire!

[02 Warhawk]

what's the score? i keep trying to check the score on my phone

[stormy]

WW + 23