MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

Old School,
How did you get this smart?  Really.  Are you this smart about non-basketball issues?    You just blow me away with your basketball information.  I could sit here and listen to you all day.

I explained it.  It's my Lakeland math! Really?  No.  It's called the internet (on most of my knowledge!...so not all if it is legit, since you can't trust everything you read on the internet!).  I did know about the whole "every team that beats Point in the tourney ends up 2nd" thing though. 

Oh to anwer your other question.  If you ever want to know anything about the English Premiere League (soccer), I'd probably know that crap just as well! lol.  Other than that, I just act smart.

Thanks for the props though.

I have a hard time trying to figure out what to have for lunch! 

That's easy.  If you don't feel like making anything for lunch, either have a Honey Bacon Club at Quizno's or a Single Bacon Dexluxe without onions and a regular fries from Culver's. 

Old School is a Greg in training.

Yeah right, I'm like the freshman undergrad and he's the guy with the Ph. D many times over!

I'm giving PS props too.  He also has some great informative posts, sometimes better than mine!  Great Job, Point Special!    Not too mention you guys and Badger and the other posters that keep me informed on your respective teams. 

[cubs]

In 2002-2003 when Point was upset in the second round by Gustavus Adolphus in the second round after a first round bye. 

Didn't Oshkosh make it to the Elite 8 that season though??  So theoretically, a WIAC did make it past the 2nd Round in 02-03.....

[John Gleich]

That was my "year by year" recap... but looking back, it wasn't the clearest.

Here's a clear, concise list:

'99-00  Point - Elite 8; Eau Claire - National Runner-up
'00-01 EC - Second round
'01-02 Oshkosh - Sweet 16
'02-03 Point - Second Round; Oshkosh - Elite 8
'03-04 Point - National Championship
'04-05 Point - National Championship

[badgerwarhawk]

So what your list also shows is that since the conference initiated a league tournament we've gotten more than one team in the national one exactly once in six years.  I could be mistaken but it seems to me that we were putting multiple teams in it more frequently than that prior to the conference tournament deciding who got the automatic bid.

[John Gleich]

I don't have the info in front of me, but I'll take a look at the bids before 1999-2000

[Pat Coleman]

So what your list also shows is that since the conference initiated a league tournament we've gotten more than one team in the national one exactly once in six years.  I could be mistaken but it seems to me that we were putting multiple teams in it more frequently than that prior to the conference tournament deciding who got the automatic bid.

I don't have the info in front of me, but I'll take a look at the bids before 1999-2000

This would be apples and oranges, though. Before 1999-2000 there were a certain number of bids set aside per region. The national system changed as well as the WIAC system.

[cubs]

Here's an interesting read from today's Oshkosh Northwestern.  Looking at the stats from UWO's website it actually looks like they have had three players quit so far this season (Scott Gibson, Jeremiah Randle, and Kyle Johnson.)

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/OSH07/602170467/1148/OSHsports

[titan2000]

It's too bad that Larry Graham is probably right in his synopsis. 

Sad for us alums and the loyal but small crowd the Titans draw.  This was the year I thought I'd have to get to the Kolf Center early to get a good seat.  With the record this year, I can be late and still be okay.

If this was a D1 program, the coach would be gone.  Lynched.  Tossed on the curbside.  That's not fair, but it is true.  Ask Mike Davis.

In a time of tight budgets, there could have been a big uptick in ticket revenues at Kolf.  I've got to think AD Al Ackerman can't be happy.   Football at UW-O took a step up this year for the first time under Phil Meyer.  Unfortunately, hoops is looking bleaker.  Hopefully TVD can get them to strap it on in the WIAC tourney and save the season. 

 

[John Gleich]

Well, apples and oranges or not, I looked it up, so here's the list:

Before 81-82, no teams
81-82 Milwaukee 1st round
82-83 WW Final 4 (3rd)
83-84 WW Nat. Champ
84-85 WW Sweet 16
85-86 WW 1st Rd
86-87 no teams
87-88 WW 1st Rd
88-89 WW Nat. Champ
89-90 no teams
90-91 Platte Nat. Champ
91-92 Platte Final 4 (3rd); *WW 2nd Rd (beaten by Platte)
92-93 Platte Elite 8; *WW 2nd Rd (beaten by Platte)
93-94 Platte Sweet 16; *WW 2nd Rd (beaten by Platte)
94-95 Platte Nat. Champ; *WW 2nd Rd (beaten by Platte)
95-96 WW Sweet 16; Oshkosh 2nd Rd; *Platte 1st Rd (beaten by WW)
96-97 *Oshkosh 1st Rd (beaten by Platte); *Platte 2nd Rd (beaten by Point); WW 1st Rd; Point Elite 8
97-98 Platte Nat. Champ; *Oshkosh 2nd Rd (lost to Platte)
98-99 Platte Nat. Champ

So, in the years before the pool system...

6 Nat. Championships, 8 Final 4's, 10 Elite 8's, 13 Sweet 16's, 26 total bids

There were 7 years (in a row) when the WIAC got 2 or more bids, and in each of these years, WIAC teams squared off at least once (losers denoted with an *).  '96-97, we had 4 teams... Platteville knocked off Oshkosh and then Point knocked off Platte.

[Greek Tragedy]

Cut and Paste is so much easier! 

WIAC NCAA History

Speaking of Apples and Oranges, I saw that Whitewater was 4th in 83 and won the title in 84. Those were the years about the time when Point was going to the NAIA tourney, losing in the final to Fort Hayes State one of those years (84?).  Wonder how teams like Point and Eau Claire, for that matter, would've stacked up in the NCAA tourney, and I'm guessing the WIAC (WSUC) would've gotten multiple teams in those years too.

Just looked:

82-83:  Stevens Point 15-1, WW 12-4 (2nd), EC 9-7 (5th).
83-84:  SP 14-2, WW 14-2, EC 13-3.
84-85:  SP 14-2, EC 13-3, WW 10-6.

[badgerwarhawk]

The rats have learned to type.  


What everyone may have missed in evaluating this year's Titan team is what Andy Fernholz meant to them last year.  What he did for the team went far beyond scoring or rebounding.  TVD hinted at it earlier in the year when he said this team was the "all excuse team. "  I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of their program, so I could be way off base,  but on the surface leadership looks like an issue.

Regardless, everyone starts with a clean slate next Tuesday and with the talent that Oshkosh has anyone who is ruling them out at this point is making a serious mistake.

Thanks PS, I appreciate your research.  There's always a good reason.

OS, we also won a national championship in 1989. 

[cubs]

If this was a D1 program, the coach would be gone.  Lynched.  Tossed on the curbside.  That's not fair, but it is true.  Ask Mike Davis.

So I suppose Ackerman should be "kicking Lechnir to the curbside" as well, since they have only made the NCAA postseon once in the past seven years.

I'm sorry, but TVD is a quality coach who has had success in the past.  I don't think he should be judged on one lackluster season.

[Greek Tragedy]

BW,

Yeah, forgot that one. 

To be fair:

1989:  WW 14-2, EC 14-2 and Point 6-10 with Platteville 13-3.  How did Platteville not make the NCAA tourney that year???

[John Gleich]

I'm sorry, but TVD is a quality coach who has had success in the past.  I don't think he should be judged on one lackluster season.

This is very true... no matter how good of a motivator a coach is, if the team won't take it to heart and allow themselves to be motivated, then it isn't the coach's fault!

Always gotta trump me OS, don'tcha?   

I'm not sure why I didn't look on the WIAC page... that's where I usually get most of my good info!  Good find!

[chmarx]

 Yeah, but its easier to fire the coach than the team!