MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

Point has hardly used D1 and D2 transfers heavily.

AppletonRocks might think Oshkosh is at a disadvantage because of location, being in the middle of the state...because Point isn't in the middle of the state either.         

[RedHotFalcon]

Every year it seems like a d2, sometimes d1 transfers to the league. Most of time, playing time being a factor, maybe not herink?  I'm sure location helps uwrf. Some maybe we're considering rf as a freshman, but had a chance at the upper level. Freshman will always be a big part of recruiting. Has to be. Getting a new gymnasium could be another factor. It will be interesting to see what happens at uwrf with the new facility. Heard it's amazing and starting to take shape of gymnasium. Saw early construction awhile ago. Won't be long now. Last year at Karges.

[AppletonRocks]

Will that force other schools--I guess Oshkosh would be the one at a disadvantage--to use the same approach?

Why does that disadvantage Oshkosh? The answer might be obvious but I don't know enough about the schools, or Oshkosh in particular.

They just haven't been active in the transfer game much--no current players were transfers.  If the theory is D2 and D1 players are better, than it's a disadvantage. Theory could be wrong as well. 

[fredfalcon]

Given a choice, most coaches would prefer to have a good freshman prospect as opposed to a good transfer because 4 years are better than 2. RF has 15 freshmen out now. But there are 10 returning players so most freshmen will be cut. Add three transfers and there is not much room left for a freshman.

[AndOne]

I think Herink will be in the POTY conversation. Started as a freshman, started-came off bench-then started last 10 or so games with a 27 point game high as a soph, 22-10 team and played in the NCAA tournament. Add a Clay Seifert from Bemidji St and the very good returners. Well let's say, the league will be tough and I got a feeling that the Falcons will be ready!

Do you think RF's geographic proximity to a D-2 league will continue to be a means for them to reload and remain competitive?  Are they getting their fair share of freshman recruits and if not, why not?

We all know that Point and WW have used D-1 and D-2 transfers heavily instead of incoming freshmen.  Will that force other schools--I guess Oshkosh would be the one at a disadvantage--to use the same approach?  They seem to be intent on getting really good freshman (who could have gone D-2 but didn't) and playing them early--e.g. Boots and Wittchow in 2016.  Culturally easier to grow your own, I suspect.

Thoughts everyone?  Bueller?

Or NOT playing them early. Last year Oshkosh, for instance, got Sam Johnson, a 6'6" freshman forward who was a 3rd team all-state player in Illinois. Johnson was recruited by about 10 schools, possibly more, including some very good CCIW schools. No doubt Oshkosh had several positive advantages to offer. However, had he stayed in Illinois he could have both played at a school that, depending on location, was much easier for his parents to get to and see him play, and, that is ranked much higher academically. However, as we know, privates just about anywhere are much more expensive than state schools. Accordingly, largely for this reason, Johnson chose UWO. However, once he got there, he played in only 9 games for a total of about 40 minutes all year. Too bad considering that attendance at one, possibly more, of those private schools would have found him being a regular member of the rotation and playing about 15 minutes a game. But, as we know, there are many considerations, both individual and family, that go into making a college choice.

The bottom line here is that Oshkosh certainly didn't play all, or even most, of its freshman not only early, but even very much.
A couple freshman, yes, but a blanket statement inferring that this applies to a majority, is not applicable. 

[AppletonRocks]

I think Herink will be in the POTY conversation. Started as a freshman, started-came off bench-then started last 10 or so games with a 27 point game high as a soph, 22-10 team and played in the NCAA tournament. Add a Clay Seifert from Bemidji St and the very good returners. Well let's say, the league will be tough and I got a feeling that the Falcons will be ready!

Do you think RF's geographic proximity to a D-2 league will continue to be a means for them to reload and remain competitive?  Are they getting their fair share of freshman recruits and if not, why not?

We all know that Point and WW have used D-1 and D-2 transfers heavily instead of incoming freshmen.  Will that force other schools--I guess Oshkosh would be the one at a disadvantage--to use the same approach?  They seem to be intent on getting really good freshman (who could have gone D-2 but didn't) and playing them early--e.g. Boots and Wittchow in 2016.  Culturally easier to grow your own, I suspect.

Thoughts everyone?  Bueller?

Or NOT playing them early. Last year Oshkosh, for instance, got Sam Johnson, a 6'6" freshman forward who was a 3rd team all-state player in Illinois. Johnson was recruited by about 10 schools, possibly more, including some very good CCIW schools. No doubt Oshkosh had several positive advantages to offer. However, had he stayed in Illinois he could have both played at a school that, depending on location, was much easier for his parents to get to and see him play, and, that is ranked much higher academically. However, as we know, privates just about anywhere are much more expensive than state schools. Accordingly, largely for this reason, Johnson chose UWO. However, once he got there, he played in only 9 games for a total of about 40 minutes all year. Too bad considering that attendance at one, possibly more, of those private schools would have found him being a regular member of the rotation and playing about 15 minutes a game. But, as we know, there are many considerations, both individual and family, that go into making a college choice.

The bottom line here is that Oshkosh certainly didn't play all, or even most, of its freshman not only early, but even very much.
A couple freshman, yes, but a blanket statement inferring that this applies to a majority, is not applicable. 

Johnson has talent.....I suspect his time will come.  No question there is competition for playing time for the Titans. The reference to Boots and Wittchow was to suggest they could have played in D-2....not sure about others.

[AndOne]

Appleton,

You prob know more about the WIAC than me.
But, if the two players you refer to "could have played in D-2," wouldn't they have been starters for D3 UWO last season??

[AppletonRocks]

Appleton,

You prob know more about the WIAC than me.
But, if the two players you refer to "could have played in D-2," wouldn't they have been starters for D3 UWO last season??

As the season progressed they often ran 3 or 5 players in rotation to include them.  Boots was usually 6th in.  Leading scorer was senior PG Alex Olsen.

Should be interesting to see how they do it this year--lots of returning starters and experienced bench players, with some new big freshmen.

[RedHotFalcon]

I would venture to guess that all the coaches want really good freshman. I'm not sure you are going to win the league with really good freshman. It will eventually be those that are really good soph's and up that really help.

[fredfalcon]

RF is down to 5 freshmen. Whether they ever had 15 is doubtful. I used that number because I had been told that was an accurate number before I attended a practice and saw only 5 freshmen. I don't know whether Herink can replace Christensen but he has potential to do so. A good test comes up Nov. 15 AT UST. THEY  have lost 5 of their first 8 players from last year, but are ranked no. 1 pre-season.

[Greek Tragedy]

I'm not sure what preseason poll that was, but that seems a bit high for St. Thomas considering they lose 4 of their top 5 guys. I would think Christopher Newport or Babson would each have a shot at #1, considering both basically return everyone. Not to say the Tommies are going to suck since they've won the last 11 MIAC titles (or so).

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not sure what preseason poll that was, but that seems a bit high for St. Thomas considering they lose 4 of their top 5 guys. I would think Christopher Newport or Babson would each have a shot at #1, considering both basically return everyone. Not to say the Tommies are going to suck since they've won the last 11 MIAC titles (or so).

Wooster is going to be right there as well. That was an Elite Eight team that brings back just about everybody.

[fredfalcon]

D3 Hoops has UST at no. 1, Christoper Newport at 4, Babson at 11.

[Pat Coleman]

D3 Hoops has UST at no. 1, Christoper Newport at 4, Babson at 11.

We have not released our preseason poll yet, actually.

[AndOne]

D3 Hoops has UST at no. 1, Christoper Newport at 4, Babson at 11.

We have not released our preseason poll yet, actually.

Yes, I was wondering how all but Fred could have missed that release, and where he found that bit of info.
As far as UST being the preseason numero uno, perhaps wishful thinking on Fred's part?

Also wondering approximately when might the D3hoops preseason 🏀 poll (the one that counts 🙂) actually be released?