MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[fredfalcon]

G@B-- thanks for the good words. Would like to have seen either Bethel or uwrf versus Wartburg under normal circumstances.

[Gregory Sager]

The problem with reffing is that's it's hard and they are going to make mistakes. Consistency is all any coach looks for. If you see a foul type on one side you want to see it on the other. Problem rotation. That's not his area this time. Now it feels like a call made one way is not on the other side. Refs like to be right. For instance, last nights game. Smart decision. Missed ft, ww secure rebound, ref blew dead thinking 2 shot foul. Oops 1/1.

And again, they are human. He screwed up the foul count, blew his whistle, but then handled it with the help of his crew to get it right after the fact.

To be accurate, the foul on Drew Bryson was signaled as a two-shot foul prior to Nolan Ebel's missed free throw. The players didn't all scramble after the miss, because they'd been told that it was a two-shot foul. Some of them moved, some of them didn't, but nobody really went into full live-ball mode. Thus, neither the UWW players nor the Augustana players secured what they understood to be a dead-ball rebound. One of the other officials should've stepped in and corrected the erring official who'd signaled for two shots prior to Ebel releasing the ball.

The official who called the foul signaled it as a bonus to begin with.  .

Right, but then whichever one was distributing the ball to Ebel at the FT line signaled for two.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Curious - was the PA announcer able to be heard and what did he/she say? I only ask because I have either said the wrong thing (based on one ref giving the wrong info or myself making a mistake) and had the refs quickly clarify or fix it because they heard my mistake. Not that my mistake was a good thing (my heart sinks when I make a mistake), but at least it triggers something from the refs. If he/she was heard and said 1-and-1 or 2 and it still wasn't fixed... that's too bad.

What I am getting at is if the environment was what it seemed on air (on The Whiparound), then I absolutely can see how the refs may not have noticed another one having the wrong count.

Stuff happens. It is unfortunate, but if anyone thinks for a moment those officials and that one in particular wasn't kicking himself all night... and probably not sleeping well... you would be very mistaken. Heck... they may be reading the boards and hating it even more (I do know of refs who read the boards; heck had one tell me how much he likes Hoopsville!).

[Gregory Sager]

Curious - was the PA announcer able to be heard and what did he/she say? I only ask because I have either said the wrong thing (based on one ref giving the wrong info or myself making a mistake) and had the refs quickly clarify or fix it because they heard my mistake. Not that my mistake was a good thing (my heart sinks when I make a mistake), but at least it triggers something from the refs. If he/she was heard and said 1-and-1 or 2 and it still wasn't fixed... that's too bad.

BadgerWarhawk is part of the UWW table staff, so he might be able to address that question.

What I am getting at is if the environment was what it seemed on air (on The Whiparound), then I absolutely can see how the refs may not have noticed another one having the wrong count.

I was only watching on the computer, but I'm guessing that it was a very loud Kachel Gym at that point. But I don't think that loud gyms excuse bad officiating. This is why they're supposed to huddle whenever there's any questions about each other's calls or any potential for confusion.

Stuff happens. It is unfortunate, but if anyone thinks for a moment those officials and that one in particular wasn't kicking himself all night... and probably not sleeping well... you would be very mistaken. Heck... they may be reading the boards and hating it even more (I do know of refs who read the boards; heck had one tell me how much he likes Hoopsville!).

We all realize that, and we all know that officials are human beings. For all the flak that they get every time that they don the stripes, the vast majority of the time they get the calls right and are on top of proper game administration. But it's a line of work in which mistakes can't be undone (and I've never been one who believed that "makeup calls" are a way of undoing a bad call), and when a mistake comes at the end of a tournament game, its importance is greatly magnified. I feel badly for the official who made the gaffe (and for his associates who failed to correct him), but it is what it is.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

FYI - not making an excuse for bad officiating ... not noticing a ref hold up 2 fingers ... just saying I could see that being the reason one of them didn't catch the mistake first.

[cubs]

So I was looking at the UW Milwaukee basketball page today just to see their roster, stats etc... as they play in the Horizon League Tournament Championship tonight.  While there, I noticed Whitewater's Derek Rongstad listed as having played in seven games this season for the Panthers.  (I was under the impression he transferred at the beginning of the season, not mid-season.)

http://mkepanthers.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&

So it safe to assume you can play right away when you transfer down from D1/D2 to D3, but have to sit out a year when you transfer up from D3 to D2/D1?

[Just Bill]

So I was looking at the UW Milwaukee basketball page today just to see their roster, stats etc... as they play in the Horizon League Tournament Championship tonight.  While there, I noticed Whitewater's Derek Rongstad listed as having played in seven games this season for the Panthers.  (I was under the impression he transferred at the beginning of the season, not mid-season.)

http://mkepanthers.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&

So it safe to assume you can play right away when you transfer down from D1/D2 to D3, but have to sit out a year when you transfer up from D3 to D2/D1?

Yes. Sitting out a year is a D-I rule, so it only applies to players arriving at a D-I.

[Just Bill]

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I believe you were going for this...

[cubs]

So I was looking at the UW Milwaukee basketball page today just to see their roster, stats etc... as they play in the Horizon League Tournament Championship tonight.  While there, I noticed Whitewater's Derek Rongstad listed as having played in seven games this season for the Panthers.  (I was under the impression he transferred at the beginning of the season, not mid-season.)

http://mkepanthers.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&

So it safe to assume you can play right away when you transfer down from D1/D2 to D3, but have to sit out a year when you transfer up from D3 to D2/D1?

Yes. Sitting out a year is a D-I rule, so it only applies to players arriving at a D-I.

Thanks Just Bill!!!!

[badgerwarhawk]

I really don't know for certain what the public address announcer said.  If I had to bet money I'd bet that he called a bonus because that is what the calling official signaled to the table. 

I know I said I was finished with it but one more time.  The biggest problem I have with this whole thing is the technical.  It was simply very poor officiating to compound a mistake of that magnitude by calling it under those circumstances and taking into account what was actually stated.

Greg, if you think it was loud when the original call was made you should have heard it after the technical was called. 

Now I'm done, I promise.

[badgerwarhawk]

After the all conference voting is completed the coaches vote a second time for the player of the year.  Candidates are the top three vote getters in the first vote.  You used to be able to tell who they were because they were the first three players listed but that isn't case any longer.  This year I thought the top two, Herick and Jones were pretty obvious but I wasn't sure who the third player was so I asked.  Eau Claire sophomore Josh Wiex was the third player selected. 

[Greek Tragedy]

After the all conference voting is completed the coaches vote a second time for the player of the year.  Candidates are the top three vote getters in the first vote.  You used to be able to tell who they were because they were the first three players listed but that isn't case any longer.  This year I thought the top two, Henrick Herink and Jones were pretty obvious but I wasn't sure who the third player was so I asked.  Eau Claire sophomore Josh Wiex was the third player selected.

Thanks. I was curious too.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

So I was looking at the UW Milwaukee basketball page today just to see their roster, stats etc... as they play in the Horizon League Tournament Championship tonight.  While there, I noticed Whitewater's Derek Rongstad listed as having played in seven games this season for the Panthers.  (I was under the impression he transferred at the beginning of the season, not mid-season.)

http://mkepanthers.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&

So it safe to assume you can play right away when you transfer down from D1/D2 to D3, but have to sit out a year when you transfer up from D3 to D2/D1?

Yes. Sitting out a year is a D-I rule, so it only applies to players arriving at a D-I.

Not a D1 rule... an NCAA rule. If you are transferring "up" a division, you have to sit a year... even if you are going DIII to DII. Has to do with the idea that more is offered and thus it keeps coaches from poaching talent at lower divisions constantly. If you transfer down a division, even DII to DI, you don't have to sit.

[AppletonRocks]

Just Bill +1

[tomt4525]

2017 Burlington G, Luke Geiger, will continue playing basketball for Coach Andrist at Stout.