MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Greek Tragedy · July 16, 2007, 04:59:53 PM

Cool stuff Bulk.

John Gleich · July 16, 2007, 05:16:19 PM

Copied from Titan Q over at the CCIW page, reporting on a basketball showcase in the northern suburbs of Chicago:

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This is being run by David Adelman, former UWSP grad assistant.

palum · July 18, 2007, 12:40:52 PM

According to the WI State Journal, Will Ryan (Bo's son & former UWP player) is becoming an assistant coach @ North Dakota State. He will be joining former UWP player Saul Phillips who is the Bisons head coach. Does anyone know if UW is playing ND State in the near future?

Greek Tragedy · July 18, 2007, 03:47:07 PM

Probably not in any hurry to play the Bison again since they came to the Kohl Center and spanked* the Badgers two years ago.

*Spanked means "beat" the Badgers since they weren't supposed to do that...one of only TWO away wins for them all year.

wcbsas · July 18, 2007, 08:43:37 PM

Quote from: palum on July 18, 2007, 12:40:52 PM
According to the WI State Journal, Will Ryan (Bo's son & former UWP player) is becoming an assistant coach @ North Dakota State. He will be joining former UWP player Saul Phillips who is the Bisons head coach. Does anyone know if UW is playing ND State in the near future?

Most schedules are done only one year out. There are some home-and-homes and some home-and-aways contracted but certainly UW and NDSU do not have anything in the books as of yet.

Nepotisim may be a way in the door but Bo isn't going to do it simply because he has a son there!

He doesn't want UW to play D2 Winona State in an exhibition game even though Michael Flower's brother Jonte plays at WSU.

A son has more ju-ju than a player but ... maybe maybe not.

BoBo · July 19, 2007, 11:26:34 PM

Quote from: wcbsas on July 18, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: palum on July 18, 2007, 12:40:52 PM
According to the WI State Journal, Will Ryan (Bo's son & former UWP player) is becoming an assistant coach @ North Dakota State. He will be joining former UWP player Saul Phillips who is the Bisons head coach. Does anyone know if UW is playing ND State in the near future?
He doesn't want UW to play D2 Winona State in an exhibition game even though Michael Flower's brother Jonte plays at WSU.

Where do you get your imformation, wcbsas?
I seriously doubt Bo Ryan doesn't want UW to play Winona State in an exhibition. Considering, afterall, he has 9 WIAC schools + D2 Parkside, not to mention the D3 private schools in Wisconsin at the ready. I would think it would be a long time (i.e. cold day you know where) before they would invite an out of state team in for an exhibition, including a Winona State team with all those WI boys.

Greek Tragedy · July 19, 2007, 11:39:15 PM

Quote from: BoBo on July 19, 2007, 11:26:34 PM
Where do you get your imformation, wcbsas?
I seriously doubt Bo Ryan doesn't want UW to play Winona State in an exhibition.

Doesn't this translate into "Bo Ryan wants to play Winona State"? I didn't get very good grades in English class, so I guess I could be wrong.

If this is the case, then the rest of your post contradicts your first sentence of that paragraph. Color me confused.

BoBo · July 20, 2007, 12:04:11 AM

You are very confused, but that's for another day.

...it means he doesn't even think about scheduling Winona State, so he wouldn't be trying to avoid it (which it what wcbsas implied), considering there are enough potential teams in his own backyard that he would prefer to schedule...

are you still confused or of funny color? Maybe this can help:

http://esl.about.com/cs/onlinecourses/a/a_ecourses.htm

Good luck to you.

Pat Coleman · July 20, 2007, 12:46:54 AM

I think it's intentional -- when they first made these exhibition games possible, the goal was to only play other WIAC schools to keep the money in-state.

bulk19 · July 20, 2007, 01:06:36 AM

Old School - You are correct, sir.

I seriously doubt Bo Ryan doesn't want UW to play Winona State in an exhibition. does translate into "Bo Ryan wants to play Winona State"?

You are not confused... The rest of the post does contradict that statement...

Just Bill · July 20, 2007, 08:39:00 AM

I am really confused, because I read that Winona State IS playing Wisconsin in an exhibtion game this year.

I've been looking, but I can't find a reliable link. All I've found is some posts on different message boards. WSU's schedule doesn't show it, but it doesn't show any exhibition games. UW doesn't have a schedule released yet.

I'll keep looking...

wcbsas · July 20, 2007, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: BoBo on July 19, 2007, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: wcbsas on July 18, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: palum on July 18, 2007, 12:40:52 PM
According to the WI State Journal, Will Ryan (Bo's son & former UWP player) is becoming an assistant coach @ North Dakota State. He will be joining former UWP player Saul Phillips who is the Bisons head coach. Does anyone know if UW is playing ND State in the near future?
He doesn't want UW to play D2 Winona State in an exhibition game even though Michael Flower's brother Jonte plays at WSU.

Where do you get your imformation, wcbsas?
I seriously doubt Bo Ryan doesn't want UW to play Winona State in an exhibition. Considering, afterall, he has 9 WIAC schools + D2 Parkside, not to mention the D3 private schools in Wisconsin at the ready. I would think it would be a long time (i.e. cold day you know where) before they would invite an out of state team in for an exhibition, including a Winona State team with all those WI boys.

Regarding where I get my information, I will link you to several things:

1) I'm not sure if you know Mark Miller from Wishoops.net. He is a much more reputable source than I am. The link below is an article where he announces an exhibition game. Unfortunately the link is a pay-per-view site so you'll have to trust me that the content below is accurate:

http://www.wissports.net/wishoops/co...4405&sportID=1

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The University of Wisconsin will play Winona State in an exhibition game next season. Winona State won the 2006 NCAA Division II title before finishing second last season. Winona State has several former Wisconsin prep standouts in its program, including Quincy Henderson, Jonte Flowers and Curtrel Robinson of Madison La Follette.

2) The following quote was in the Winona newspaper on July 3rd:

http://www.winonadailynews.com/articles/2007/07/03/sports/00lead.txt

QuoteWSU also has had a tough time finding teams to play in an exhibition schedule. A rumored on-again, off-again game against Wisconsin is off again — for now. At this point, the Warriors have no exhibition games scheduled.

A year ago WSU faced three Division I programs in exhibition play, beating Drake and Minnesota and losing to Bradley. Leaf said his team may be forced to face Division III or NAIA teams during the preseason.

3) I certainly wasn't implying that Bo Ryan was ducking Winona or that he didn't want to play them ... my point is he (Ryan) is going to make legitimate business-based decisions for the Badgers. He wants to play a strong schedule, maximize home games and win as many games as possible.

He feels that he has a committment/obligation to play in the exhibition as many of the WIAC schools as possible. Not because he has to but because he wants to.

Why play an exhibition game against a Minnesota school that aside from allowing your senior captain a chance to match up with his brother doesn't really do your program any good?

4) Specific to NDSU ... why play a team that will have an RPI in the 100's? Why play a team that might want a 2-for-1 deal? Playing NDSU for the most part is a situation where you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Playing against the team you son coaches as a favor might be partial motivation but I'm not sure it is enough to overcome the negatives. Thats the point I was implying with the Winona example.

wcbsas · July 20, 2007, 08:54:27 AM

Quote from: BoBo on July 19, 2007, 11:26:34 PMWhere do you get your imformation, wcbsas?
I seriously doubt Bo Ryan doesn't want UW to play Winona State in an exhibition. Considering, afterall, he has 9 WIAC schools + D2 Parkside, not to mention the D3 private schools in Wisconsin at the ready. I would think it would be a long time (i.e. cold day you know where) before they would invite an out of state team in for an exhibition, including a Winona State team with all those WI boys.

Just so you know ... there has been a long history where coaches will as a favor to their senior players ... play a game (if possible) against a team of their choice.

For example Dean Smith scheduled a home-and-home against Marquette when Joe Wolf played there.

The speculation of a Winona and UW matchup is:
* Since senior Michael Flowers' has a brother Jonte who also a senior at Winona State
* Both from the Madison area playing at Madison LaFollette
* Jonte was a former walk-on football player at UW.

Both brothers would love the chance to play against each other on the Kohl Center floor.

I AGREE WITH YOU that all things being equal Bo Ryan would rather play UW-Platteville, 8 other WIAC schools, UW-Parkside, Norberts, Carthage, Carroll ... before he'd play Winona.

The only reason to play Winona would be as a favor to Michael Flowers.

Greek Tragedy · July 20, 2007, 04:09:04 PM

Quote from: wcbsas on July 20, 2007, 08:42:26 AM
3) I certainly wasn't implying that Bo Ryan was ducking Winona or that he didn't want to play them ... my point is he (Ryan) is going to make legitimate business-based decisions for the Badgers. He wants to play a strong schedule, maximize home games and win as many games as possible.

He feels that he has a committment/obligation to play in the exhibition as many of the WIAC schools as possible. Not because he has to but because he wants to.

Why play an exhibition game against a Minnesota school that aside from allowing your senior captain a chance to match up with his brother doesn't really do your program any good?

If you have a committment/obligation, sometimes that means you don't want to, but feel like you have to. The reason why he might play against a Minnesota school is because they may be better than a WIAC school...I mean, they were the National Champs in 2005 and they went 35-0 before falling in the Final this past year. Although some may view D2 a step down (i.e. the Lincoln article lol), that probably says playing Winona State is better competition than playing a WIAC school.

Playing a strong schedule and winning as many games as possible can also mean different things...I don't need to explain this! But, it's exibition, so those stats and "wins" don't matter anyway, aside from feeling good about yourself.

Anyway, I guess I really don't care that much, so I'll stop arguing! lol

I think Pat's post nails it on the head. Get rid of all those traveling all-star teams or whatever and let the D3 schools get a taste of the big time and play the D1 teams.

wcbsas · July 20, 2007, 04:27:45 PM

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on July 20, 2007, 04:09:04 PM

If you have a committment/obligation, sometimes that means you don't want to, but feel like you have to. The reason why he might play against a Minnesota school is because they may be better than a WIAC school...I mean, they were the National Champs in 2005 and they went 35-0 before falling in the Final this past year. Although some may view D2 a step down (i.e. the Lincoln article lol), that probably says playing Winona State is better competition than playing a WIAC school.

Playing Winona State in an exhibition is about as tough of a game as you possibly to get ... they are not MAYBE better than a WIAC school, they are better. D2 versus D3, national champs ...

The downside of playing a school like Winona is you might lose ... a loss like that early in the season could be very demoralizing. Just ask Minnesota. Although UW is a much better team than Minnesota.

Specific to the committment/obligation ... my point is with Bo Ryan having his roots in the WIAC, he probably has an affinity towards them. Giving the WIAC schools a chance to play UW in an exhibition game is a way for him to payback the WIAC as well as giving them a shot at playing on the Kohl Center floor along with the extra cash that comes with playing in Madison.

Call it a labor of love!

Specific to exhibition games ... the last thing you want to do is to lose a game that you shouldn't lose and having it affect the pysche of your team and fans.