MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

And La Crosse is playing much better.  Either the return of Brandon Brown, or the team getting fired up after Koebl's suspension.

So, he is getting one?

[BoBo]

Just a quick second to break away from the WIAC...

What a Super Bowl!?!?! 

Actually Mr. Downtown, more like what a 4th quarter.

The rest of the game was pretty boring. Except for maybe the 1st quarter.

The half-time show was pretty boring (and I did/do like Tom Petty - but we got what you would expect from a classic, but old, rocker), but it was still better than the 3rd quarter or the first half.

[Gregory Sager]

They're currently 11-5 in-region... if they got to, say, the WIAC final and lost, they'd be 18-6.  Is that good enough?  I'm not so sure, even with the extra bids from a couple of years ago.

A .750 regional winning percentage has historically been good enough to garner a Pool C bid. Plus, with the new RPI-style rating replacing the old QOWI/SOSI to measure the strength of a team's opponents, UWO would have more going for it in that category than it has in years past.

[Just Bill]

And La Crosse is playing much better.  Either the return of Brandon Brown, or the team getting fired up after Koebl's suspension.

So, he is getting one?

He already had one.

[voice]

In regards to Eau Claire's sliding a fifth player onto the floor while the game was in progress.  Everyone in the gymnasium BUT the 3 officials saw the incident transpire.  What confuses me is why didn't the officials go over the the scorers table to inquire?  Don't know if it was ego, don't know if it was indifference, but they REFUSED to inquire with the official scorers on what was an obvious violation by the Blugolds.  The other strange thing is that it was one of the better officiating crews in the WIAC.  Luckily the snafu did not have an impact on the final score.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

In regards to Eau Claire's sliding a fifth player onto the floor while the game was in progress.  Everyone in the gymnasium BUT the 3 officials saw the incident transpire.  What confuses me is why didn't the officials go over the the scorers table to inquire?  Don't know if it was ego, don't know if it was indifference, but they REFUSED to inquire with the official scorers on what was an obvious violation by the Blugolds.  The other strange thing is that it was one of the better officiating crews in the WIAC.  Luckily the snafu did not have an impact on the final score.

This is from the Rule Interpretations section from the WIAA website.  I know this is the highschool governing body, but the rules are the same in almost all situations for all levels of basketball.

SITUATION 11: Following a (a) charged time-out; or (b) a lengthy substitution process involving multiple substitutions for both teams, A5 goes to the bench and remains there mistakenly believing he/she has been replaced by a substitute. The ball is put in play even though Team A has only four players on the court. Team A is bringing the ball into A's frontcourt when the coach of Team A realizes they have only four players. The coach yells for A5 to return, and he/she sprints onto the court and catches up with play.
RULING: In (a), the officials shall stop play and assess a team technical foul for not having all players return to the court at approximately the same time after a time-out. The technical foul counts toward the team-foul count. In (b), the officials may permit play to continue without penalty. A5's return to the court was not deceitful, nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court.
COMMENT: Even though neither situation provided A5 or TeamA with an advantage, teams are expected to return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out. The officials should have also followed the prescribed mechanics and counted the number of players on the court, ensuring each team has the legal number of players. (10-1-9; 10-3-3)

If it was from a time out, then the officials should have stopped the game and assessed a bench technical.

[voice]

It was immediately following a time out.  Of course, you are quoting the high school rule.  I have not seen the NCAA rule.

In regards to Eau Claire's sliding a fifth player onto the floor while the game was in progress.  Everyone in the gymnasium BUT the 3 officials saw the incident transpire.  What confuses me is why didn't the officials go over the the scorers table to inquire?  Don't know if it was ego, don't know if it was indifference, but they REFUSED to inquire with the official scorers on what was an obvious violation by the Blugolds.  The other strange thing is that it was one of the better officiating crews in the WIAC.  Luckily the snafu did not have an impact on the final score.

This is from the Rule Interpretations section from the WIAA website.  I know this is the highschool governing body, but the rules are the same in almost all situations for all levels of basketball.

SITUATION 11: Following a (a) charged time-out; or (b) a lengthy substitution process involving multiple substitutions for both teams, A5 goes to the bench and remains there mistakenly believing he/she has been replaced by a substitute. The ball is put in play even though Team A has only four players on the court. Team A is bringing the ball into A's frontcourt when the coach of Team A realizes they have only four players. The coach yells for A5 to return, and he/she sprints onto the court and catches up with play.
RULING: In (a), the officials shall stop play and assess a team technical foul for not having all players return to the court at approximately the same time after a time-out. The technical foul counts toward the team-foul count. In (b), the officials may permit play to continue without penalty. A5's return to the court was not deceitful, nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court.
COMMENT: Even though neither situation provided A5 or TeamA with an advantage, teams are expected to return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out. The officials should have also followed the prescribed mechanics and counted the number of players on the court, ensuring each team has the legal number of players. (10-1-9; 10-3-3)

If it was from a time out, then the officials should have stopped the game and assessed a bench technical.

[cubs]

There has been some talk about how UWO seems to let their fans down every season.  While that may have been true in the past, how can people honestly say that this year?  Look at what was returning this season for the Titans, and tell me how the expectations were high this year.....

F-DJ Marsh-The one player who had legitimate experience, starting in all 27 of UWO's games last year, and who was in during crunch time last season.  I will say expectations were high for him after a solid stretch late in the season last year.  The only thing that worried me, was his ability to stay healthy, as 2007 was his first full season, since 2004?

F-Jordan Johnson-Had some experience, but even then, he started in just over half of UWO's games as a Junior (18/27.)  I expected him to put up similar numbers to last year (8.0 ppg and 4.5 rpg) and he has for the most part except for the drastic increase in rebounds (9.8 ppg and 8.1 rpg.)  He is what a lot of people would call your typical "Role Player" (ala Joe Krabbenhoft of the Badgers) but not a guy that is going to take over a game and lead his team to victory.  He is going to be missed more than a lot of people think next season for the Titans.

F-Dane Seckar Anderson-A guy who started just four contests as a sophomore and played tha majority of his minutes replacing Gibson last season.  He averaged a little over 15 minutes a game, albeit productive minutes (7.4 ppg/3.8 rpg.)  A lot of people can say they expected big things out of him because he was a scholarship player coming out of HS, but for every successful player like that, there seems to be an equal number of guys who just don't pan out.

G-Matt Miller-A Junior who had never started a game at UWO.  He averaged 16.0 and 16.1 minutes per game his first two years, but his role was basically to come off the bench and shoot the three, as evidenced by his 158 three-point attempts (in 185 total field goal attempts) his first two seasons.  Now he was thrown into the starting Point Guard postion, with minimal experience.  Outside of Matt and his family, I don't think anyone expected him to be having the amount of success he is seeing up to this point in the season (16.9 ppg, compared to 4.8 and 4.9 his first two seasons.)

G-Greg Schrimpf-A true freshman who hadn't played a minute at the college level.  He was a successful HS player, but that doesn't always translate into collegiate success.

I don't even need to go in depth about the UWO bench, because as we all know they don't really have one.

Now how many guys can sit here and say that they expected these five guys to be playing as well as they are with the little bit of experience they had?  I for one can't, and most of you know I have been waving the UWO flag for sometime on this board.  To be 14-6 and 8-3 in the WIAC at this point in the season, is pretty impressive.  If you told me before the season this team was going to be this successful, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.

[badgerwarhawk]

Nice to see you again, OS.  Also nice to chat with Jack Bennett though I didn't recognize him at first without the sweater vest.        I'm just ribbing you, Jack.  I know you said I should say something nice but sometimes I can't help myself.

Seriously, I have the utmost respect for Jack Bennett.   

[OshDude]

Now how many guys can sit here and say that they expected these five guys to be playing as well as they are with the little bit of experience they had?  I for one can't, and most of you know I have been waving the UWO flag for sometime on this board.  To be 14-6 and 8-3 in the WIAC at this point in the season, is pretty impressive.  If you told me before the season this team was going to be this successful, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.

If it's a shot at me, it's misplaced. I thought UWO would be 4th this season.

Then again, if you can't change expectations during the year, what good are expectations?

[Mr. Downtown]

New Top 25 Poll

Whitewater #4
Point  #11
Platteville #17
Oshkosh  #24

IMO, I think Whitewater is a bit high, but the Top 10 is crazy and it keeps shuffling week in, week out. That might be why Point is also at #11.

Platteville is better than #17, I think they deserve to be closer to the Top 10 than where they are at right now.

I thought Oshkosh, if they would stay in, would be either 24 or 25th. Funny that Elmhurst is now #25th in the country. Talk about a victory early in the season that was to help Oshkosh's cause for a Pool C bid. That's one team that all Titan fans need to root for in the race for the CCIW. The better they finish, the better the victory looks for Oshkosh. Simple formula, but if they bow out, then its not going to help much.

Then again, they do have wins against #4, and two wins against #11. So that balances things out.

[Mr. Downtown]

I think all WIAC fans need to look at this:
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

I saw this on the Top 25 board, and was playing around with it.

According to Massey, with the power rankings, Platteville is the 2nd best team in the country. Whitewater 10th, Point 14th, and Oshkosh 16th.

With just the Massey top 25, it's Platteville in the top 5, ranked 3rd. 

Whitewater is 19th, Point is 21st, and Oshkosh is 26th.

Also, in conference strength, in which it will play a part in the selection of teams this year, the WIAC is still a top 5 conference ranked 4th, behind UAA, NE, and CCIW.

If you had the BCS system for basketball (thank god we don't), if I was a Pioneer fan, I would be upset with the voters.

While, if I was a Whitewater fan, I would blame the computer for punching the numbers in wrong 

Human voters favor Whitewater, the Computers favor Platteville. We'll have to wait until 2/13 to  decide.

[chmarx]

Hey Oshkosh fans!  Brian Carroll and I plan to attend Saturday's game.  It will be the first trip to Oshkosh for a sporting event for both of us.

[Gregory Sager]

It was immediately following a time out.  Of course, you are quoting the high school rule.  I have not seen the NCAA rule.

In regards to Eau Claire's sliding a fifth player onto the floor while the game was in progress.  Everyone in the gymnasium BUT the 3 officials saw the incident transpire.  What confuses me is why didn't the officials go over the the scorers table to inquire?  Don't know if it was ego, don't know if it was indifference, but they REFUSED to inquire with the official scorers on what was an obvious violation by the Blugolds.  The other strange thing is that it was one of the better officiating crews in the WIAC.  Luckily the snafu did not have an impact on the final score.

This is from the Rule Interpretations section from the WIAA website.  I know this is the highschool governing body, but the rules are the same in almost all situations for all levels of basketball.

SITUATION 11: Following a (a) charged time-out; or (b) a lengthy substitution process involving multiple substitutions for both teams, A5 goes to the bench and remains there mistakenly believing he/she has been replaced by a substitute. The ball is put in play even though Team A has only four players on the court. Team A is bringing the ball into A's frontcourt when the coach of Team A realizes they have only four players. The coach yells for A5 to return, and he/she sprints onto the court and catches up with play.
RULING: In (a), the officials shall stop play and assess a team technical foul for not having all players return to the court at approximately the same time after a time-out. The technical foul counts toward the team-foul count. In (b), the officials may permit play to continue without penalty. A5's return to the court was not deceitful, nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court.
COMMENT: Even though neither situation provided A5 or TeamA with an advantage, teams are expected to return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out. The officials should have also followed the prescribed mechanics and counted the number of players on the court, ensuring each team has the legal number of players. (10-1-9; 10-3-3)

If it was from a time out, then the officials should have stopped the game and assessed a bench technical.

The NCAA does not distinguish in this scenario between a timeout and any other stoppage of play in which a substitution is made. According to Rule 10, Section 3, Article 9a of the NCAA rulebook, a bench technical is assessed as soon as the ball becomes live if the officials catch a non-beckoned substitute entering the court. However, according to Rule 3, Section 4, Articles 5 & 8, it's not a technical if the non-beckoned substitute is not noticed until after play has already resumed.

Hope that helps.

[cubs]

If it's a shot at me, it's misplaced. I thought UWO would be 4th this season.

Then again, if you can't change expectations during the year, what good are expectations?

Not really a shot at anyone.....  Just a reply to some of the previous comments.  I just think it is unfair to say that this team has "underachieved" again, when they didn't even receive one vote in the Preseason Top 25.