MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[first_timer]

Fred,
Have you heard anything about Melzer.....He hasn't been in the box scores for some time

[cubs]

When I look at the stat sheet between UW-Stevens Point and UW-Overated, I noticed one big thing.

Difference in free throws.

But when the other team takes 15 more free throws then you, and you lose around that amount, you really have to look into that number. I mean, Doedens even fouled out!

I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse!!!!!  Say what you want about TVD, but he will never blame an outcome on the refs, regardless of whether it's a 2 or 20 point game. 

Last night's UWO/UWSP game featured arguably the best official in the WIAC in Dave Kelliher.  If you think he is a "poor" official, they are only going to get worse (with the exception of possibly Mike Bunge.) 

Side Note-As I was looking through the officials for last night's game, I found it interesting that Gary Wild was listed for both the UWW/UWL game, and the Elmhurst/UWP game.  It would be pretty hard to do both wouldn't it??

[laxeagles1]

When I look at the stat sheet between UW-Stevens Point and UW-Overated, I noticed one big thing.

Difference in free throws.

But when the other team takes 15 more free throws then you, and you lose around that amount, you really have to look into that number. I mean, Doedens even fouled out!

I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse!!!!!  Say what you want about TVD, but he will never blame an outcome on the refs, regardless of whether it's a 2 or 20 point game. 

Last night's UWO/UWSP game featured arguably the best official in the WIAC in Dave Kelliher.  If you think he is a "poor" official, they are only going to get worse (with the exception of possibly Mike Bunge.) 

officiating is so hard...even though i have done lesser levels it's inevitable that one team doesn't play the 'way you see it' and more fouls are called against them.  certain officials call things tighter than others.  I know my big pet peeves are over the back(they never call this anymore) and 3 seconds in the lane(3 means 3)........so if oshkosh was 'over the back' in my book, if i was officiating that game i can see where the differential is.........................blaming a game on officiating is like saying apples taste like oranges, it's never an excuse and it is at the discretion of what an official feels needs to be called and what doesn't..........

in my whole life of being exposed to basketball i have been in ONE game where the official decided the outcome and TWO where they may have contributed to the games decision.........with that being said I played grade 5-12 and played countless summer tournaments and games, very small ratio of officials deciding a game!

[laxeagles1]

laxeagles1, just giving you a hard time b/c you were sounding so positive lately!  Now, we have to listen to LaCrosse misery until they win again . 

if i am wrong i eat my words and fess up.  I feel i have done that, Coach Koelbl is better than expected and I get the feeling that Lax had a chance to win it and it just didn't happen for them... good signs for sure though, the program is pointed in the right direction i can say that.............

trust me i know alot more cynical people than myself!

[platteville1985]

Ok he probably was better than ok.  He did shoot well from the field and put up 31 points, but an all american does not miss free throws late in the game, they do not make costly turnovers late in the game and that is what this young man did.  There is no question he is very talented but it takes more than 31 points to be elite.  Without those mistakes he may have not needed to make those late 3 pointers.

[bluejaybacker1]

Yes, alright Chris did miss a free throw with 1:01 left in the game, but I don't know where you saw this turnover or turnovers by him. The inbounds pass? Well he shouldn't have even been throwing that pass. If you want to count that turnover, I guess. He still is the one down the stretch who put a team that had made something like 5 fld goals in the first 17 mins of the second half or some horrible number like that in a good position to win against a pretty good team.

[badgerwarhawk]

"probably"  ROTFL

Not that it matters but he didn't miss "free throws" late in the game.  He was 7 of 8 on the evening so he couldn't have missed multiple free throws down the stretch.  Actually he was 3 of 4 in the final minutes.  Are you suggesting that All Americans don't miss free throws?

If you don't count the bad pass that ends the game he had three other turnovers in 38 minutes of playing time.  THIRTYEIGHT minutes of playing time suggests that this kid touches the ball alot and four turnovers is probably a drop in the bucket by comparison.

[frankiet]

hey first-timer,

whats up? Melzer is actually out on the injured list right now. He has an infected knee. He should be back in the lineup something within a week or week in a half.

[Champ99]

When I look at the stat sheet between UW-Stevens Point and UW-Overated, I noticed one big thing.  Difference in free throws.  But when the other team takes 15 more free throws then you, and you lose around that amount, you really have to look into that number. I mean, Doedens even fouled out!

I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse!!!!!  Say what you want about TVD, but he will never blame an outcome on the refs, regardless of whether it's a 2 or 20 point game. 

Cubs: I could be wrong and please let me know if I am, but I didn't take Mr. Downtown's comment to mean one sided officiating... I took it that Oshosh fouled too more than in shooting  or bonus situations and Point subsequently went to the line more than Oshkosh.  Just thought I would throw that in as a possible clarification.

[cubs]

I took it that Oshosh fouled too more than in shooting  or bonus situations and Point subsequently went to the line more than Oshkosh. 

Huh???  Please clarify......

[fredfalcon]

First Timer--yeah, Frankiet (new user name?) is right. Melzer cut his knee on a sign just off court in a game a few weeks ago. He got nine stitches  to supposedly heal it up. Then he played, too early it seems, and it got infected. He will return, he says, in about a week.

[platteville1985]

I know he did not miss consecutive free throws, but he did miss one late in the game, a key one at that remeber the game was decided by one point.  I am not saying that, that free throw alone was the difference.  And i beleive he had two of the turnovers with under 5 minutes left, not including the inbounds pass with .6 to go.  He is a very good D3 player and elmhurst is a pretty good hard knock team.  I just dont see the next coming of Michael Jordan in this guy.  Well i hope this is the last thing i hear about this Chris Martin guy until tourney time.

[Greek Tragedy]

"No leadership and no heart...that's us in a nutshell...We're the all-excuse team..."

Ouch, that's what TVD said about his Oshkosh team.  It was in the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel today.

I think TVD will have his boys ready to play this weekend.

Ok he probably was better than ok. He did shoot well from the field and put up 31 points, but an all american does not miss free throws late in the game, they do not make costly turnovers late in the game and that is what this young man did. There is no question he is very talented but it takes more than 31 points to be elite. Without those mistakes he may have not needed to make those late 3 pointers.

Wow, that's pretty harsh.  OK, so he missed ONE free throw and a turnover at the end of the game.  Come on.  Even the great All-American, National Player of the Year Jason Kalsow had a turnover once in awhile and a missed free throw last year! 

[cardinalpride]

I know he did not miss consecutive free throws, but he did miss one late in the game, a key one at that remeber the game was decided by one point.  I am not saying that, that free throw alone was the difference.  And i beleive he had two of the turnovers with under 5 minutes left, not including the inbounds pass with .6 to go.  He is a very good D3 player and elmhurst is a pretty good hard knock team.  I just dont see the next coming of Michael Jordan in this guy.  Well i hope this is the last thing i hear about this Chris Martin guy until tourney time.

Platteville,  you wouldn't see the next Michael Jordan in any Div III player ever!  Chris Martin is better than any player the WIAC has to offer this year!  Period!!  You can't argue that!!

[Pioneerbacker]

Well, well, well look what's already going on in Oshkosh.  I'm sticking to my guns this time about Oshkosh, as in, I'll believe the hype when I see them get through some conference games.  Pretty strong statements from TVD, doesn't everyone think?  Is he the Nick Saben of the WIAC?