MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

The plan was to defend Skemp in the same manner we previously had.  This time it worked. 

Out of curiousity I'm wondering if any three second calls were made.  None were called in WW.  That gave Skemp a big advantage and he made hay off of it.   I noticed he had a few turnovers in the first half but the running score doesn't indicated what type they were.

Miller must have gained a lot more influence over the officials since our first meeting when he called for a three second violation all night and got nothing.   

Point well taken!   

There were no calls made.  Jeff for the most part kept his feet out of the lane unless he was making a move.  I noticed he had been camping a lot, but calls were not being made, so take what they give I guess.  They were yelling for it a few times, some I would say even when Jeff didn't have his foot in there, but can't fault them for lobbyin'.

His turnovers were keeping his back to the basket when he caught the ball, and not making a move and trying pass from the same, stand still position.

[uwm/uww]

The difference in the way UWW played Skemp was that this time they played from behind instead of fronting him. King and Mitchell both fouled out and Skemp had 2 fouls and yet he was hooking and shoving all night long. 3 second calls were not made. I for one thought the refs did not do a good job either way. King & Mitchell both went to the floor a number of times and no fouls were called but K & M were called for touch fouls. King has fouled out of 2 games this year and a ref from last night was the one that called all 5 fouls on him in the UWO game the other game he fouled out. On 2 occasions, 1 ref made a call and this same ref overruled the first call making the call go against UWW.

As far as for Miller getting calls, I think his constant complaining hurts the team more than it helps. He complained to the ref for 5 minutes on one call and then the same ref made another bad call against UWW.

It was a big win for UWW and Goodwin was fantastic but the inside play from UWW big guys made a big difference.....just ask Skemp. After the game he huged King and told him what a good game he played.

[uwm/uww]

Also, there was one foul where Mitchell threw his face at Skemp and came out of it with his 5th foul, being knocked to the floor and a cut inside his mouth. He will have to learn to stop using his face like that.

[Just Bill]

Also, there was one foul where Mitchell threw his face at Skemp and came out of it with his 5th foul, being knocked to the floor and a cut inside his mouth. He will have to learn to stop using his face like that.

Did he get his face back, or did Skemp keep it.  Is Skemp now two-faced?  Even if I knew how to throw my face, I'm not sure I'd want to do it.

[Mr. Downtown]

I noticed while watching live stats, that Platteville missed two huge Free Throws close at the end of the game. If those were made, could we be talking about a different outcome? Or do the people that were there still think Whitewater would have won?

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

I noticed while watching live stats, that Platteville missed two huge Free Throws close at the end of the game. If those were made, could we be talking about a different outcome? Or do the people that were there still think Whitewater would have won?

Platteville actually missed 4 big free throws, 2 of which were huge...and consecutive.  I don't know if we'd be talking about a different outcome or not.  Goodwin had too much momentum at the end of the game.  Curt (our best free throw shooter) missed the first of two twice, but Langenfeld missed both of a two shot foul, which are the two you're referring to.  I may have made it a little more interesting that is for sure, but I don't think the outcome would've been any different.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

The difference in the way UWW played Skemp was that this time they played from behind instead of fronting him. King and Mitchell both fouled out and Skemp had 2 fouls and yet he was hooking and shoving all night long. 3 second calls were not made. I for one thought the refs did not do a good job either way. King & Mitchell both went to the floor a number of times and no fouls were called but K & M were called for touch fouls. King has fouled out of 2 games this year and a ref from last night was the one that called all 5 fouls on him in the UWO game the other game he fouled out. On 2 occasions, 1 ref made a call and this same ref overruled the first call making the call go against UWW.

As far as for Miller getting calls, I think his constant complaining hurts the team more than it helps. He complained to the ref for 5 minutes on one call and then the same ref made another bad call against UWW.

It was a big win for UWW and Goodwin was fantastic but the inside play from UWW big guys made a big difference.....just ask Skemp. After the game he huged King and told him what a good game he played.

Are you talking when Jeff is on offense or defense?  Defensively, he generally plays behind, for natural reasons of being 6'10".  So playing behind I could see some pushing, but Jeff weighs 270 lbs, and he's strong.  Offensively, anyone who has seen Jeff play this year, can you tell me where his hand are when posting up?  He doesn't use his hands to post, he moves along the lane with a wide base and his up, so he doesn't get called for a hook.  At one point I think I saw Mitchell put Jeff in a standing half-nelson, trying to get around Jeff, because Jeff's arms were out, and his hands were up but there was no foul called there.  If you can honestly think that those guys were called for 10 touch fouls, you couldn't be more wrong.  Jeff is a big man, and those two were leaning on him all night.

Secondly, to think that a particular official has a vendetta against a player is absurd.  Maybe, King should become a smarter basketball player, and shy away from the things the officials are calling fouls on.  It is up to the players and coaching staff to adjust to the speed of the game, opponents, and believe it or not, how the officials are calling the game.  Just because the official blows the whistle and makes a call against Whitewater, doesn't mean that it is a bad call. 

Jeff hugged King afterwards, because he is a classy guy.  He knew the ramifications of the game, and was also able to leave it on the floor.  From talking with BDShotblocker, Jeff is one of his favorite guys, because he's a competitor for 40 minutes, but when the buzzer sounds, and the competiton ends, he is quick to show respect to his fellow competitors.

Also, there was one foul where Mitchell threw his face at Skemp and came out of it with his 5th foul, being knocked to the floor and a cut inside his mouth. He will have to learn to stop using his face like that.

Did he get his face back, or did Skemp keep it.  Is Skemp now two-faced?  Even if I knew how to throw my face, I'm not sure I'd want to do it.

Now thats funny! 

[badgerwarhawk]

I'm not commenting directly on what happened in the low post last night.  I wasn't there, wasn't able to even listen to the game.  I don't know that uww-uwm comments regarding a particular official are accurate.  Personally I've never seen a situation in which I felt an official had a vendetta for a player, coach or anyone else.   I only want to clarify a rule and that is in regards to a posting player spreading his arms out to his sides to prevent or make it more difficult for a defensive player to get around and front him.  It's illegal and if the defensive player is held in the attempt the foul is on the posting player.  He doesn't have to wrap his arm around the defensive player.  It's suppose to be a point of emphasis this year. 

Again I have no clue and am not commenting on last night.  Skemp is a hell of a good player and competitor.  I respect the way he plays the game.   He was my preseason POY and if I wasn't a WARHAWKGUY and Goodwin wasn't tearing the league up right now he still probably would be. 

Perhaps the two teams will meet again for the rubber match. 

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

I would love for the two to play again.  I didn't get to see the first one, but last nights was a very good game in the long rivalry.

BW, what are you thoughts on this?
  http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/mens/0708/rmc/pages/NM1R4887.html

Trust me, I know this is not Jeff, but this is the form him and Kyle (pictured) use when posting up.  Moving their feet to keep the seal.  Just looking for an opinion.

[badgerwarhawk]

I would consider that legal because his arms are not extended from the elbows and his hands are up and not out to his side.   

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

See now, look at that.  Warhawks and Pioneers can get along and agree on some things 

[uww4ever]

Can't believe Melzer didn't make first team all D3 Hoops all-decade team.  Must be because we never got to see him in the playoffs and only 1 conference champ.  No stats to back up the first team designation, but Old School may have more.

I think on YouTube Richie boy might now be a rapper??  No idea, just saw a clip of him and another guy doing a rap.  Don't quit the day job.

GO HAWKS.  Great win last night and can't wait to get to see a game in person.  

[Greek Tragedy]

Can't believe Melzer didn't make first team all D3 Hoops all-decade team.  Must be because we never got to see him in the playoffs and only 1 conference champ.  No stats to back up the first team designation, but Old School may have more.

I really don't have much comment on the All-Decade team, but am pleased to see players from the WIAC honored, even if it isn't 1st team.

Melzer was definitely a great player in the WIAC.  But, I couldn't "complain" about any of the WIAC players getting on "better" teams because I haven't seen most of these other players and haven't even heard of some of these players...so, for me to complain that Kalsow is on "such and such" team, while this guy is on 1st team holds no water. 

I know that Devean George was a 1st round pick in the NBA and still plays regularly.  I know that Derek Reich was conference player of the year ALL FOUR YEARS he played...and it's not like he played in a chump conference, and 1st team All-American for 3 years.  I haven't heard about the other guys, but reading their bios, they seem legit.  And yeah, I think a little has to do with not only succeeding in the NCAAs, but actually making the NCAAs.

[UWRF]

You know i was reading the part on Melzer in the All- Decade team article and I read the part about not making the tournament ...

"While UW-River Falls didn't make the NCAA tournament during Melzer's tenure, that was partly a product of the smaller playoff field."

48 TEAMS GOT IN!!!!!!!!! Thats not that "small" of a bracket (i realize it says smaller).  Are u telling me that they could find room for a team that won its conference (competitive conf no less) and had arguably the best player in the country?

Irony... the only team to make it (from the WIAC) won the whole damn thing... Coincidence I think not!

[UWRF]

Side note--- ONE National Title from the 1st All- Decade Team.