MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

We are almost certainly going to be one and done in the conference tournament, but I hope we can get two or three teams in this year.

My thought is that if Point AND Whitewater are in the final, the WIAC will get two.  If Point OR Whitewater are in it and the "other" team wins, we could get two.

Oshkosh is out of the running for a Pool C bid.  If they want in, they'll have to win the WIAC tourney.  Platteville is in the same boat.  Even if they beat Point and then lose in the tourney, I think they are too far down the pecking order to get a bid. 

In the West it goes like:

West
1. UW-Stevens Point 19-4 17-4 (WIAc)
2. St. Thomas 20-3 18-2 (MIAC)
3. Occidental 19-3 12-2 (SCIAC)
4. UW-Whitewater 19-4 17-4 (WIAC)
5. Cal Lutheran 19-3 15-3 (SCIAC)
6. Buena Vista 19-4 15-2 (IIAC)
7. UW-Platteville 17-6 15-5 (WIAC)
8. UW-Oshkosh 17-6 14-5 (WIAC)

Even if Point, St. Thomas, Oxy and BV all win their conference tourneys, that leaves Whitewater and Cal Lutheran (at this time) ahead of Platteville and Oshkosh.  That means two teams, just from our region, have to be picked before either the Pioneers or Titans get a sniff at the Pool C bid. 

Amazingly, on Wednesday, St. Thomas, Cal Lutheran (lost to Occidental) and Buena Vista all lost!

[Just Bill]

I'm just going with how its been done in the past.  It's done that way in case you had a situation like this:

Blue Team: 14-2  (2-0 vs. Yellow, 1-1 vs. Green)
Red Team: 14-2  (1-1 vs. Yellow, 2-0 vs. Green)
Yellow Team: 11-5  (1-1 vs. Red, 0-2 vs. Blue)
Green Team: 11-5  (0-2 vs. Red, 1-1 vs. Blue)

Assume that Blue and Red split their two games, as did Yellow and Green.

So, which pair do we break first?  We can't break Blue/Red until we know how Yellow/Green comes out, but we can't break Yellow/Green until we know how Blue/Red goes.

We can't arbitrarily choose which tie to break first, because the results change depending on the order they are done.  Therefore, we compare them as a group.

[janesvillebb]

Tournament Tiebreaking Criteria
The following tie-breaking criteria will be applied to determine entry into the tournament or to seed teams with identical records:

1. Head-to-head competition between tied teams.
2. Cumulative Won/Loss record vs. teams placed higher in the conference standings.
3. Record vs. teams in conference standings in descending order (i.e., #1 seed, #2 seed).
4. Team with the best road record in conference games.
5. Coin toss conducted by the WIAC commissioner.


Just Bill,

My understanding would be this...and my translation, I guess.

Platteville and Oshkosh would tie at 11-5.  Platteville would win that tie breaker with Oshkosh because they beat them head to head.  Thus, Platteville would be 3rd and Oshkosh 4th.

Whitewater and Stevens Point split, so they would go to #3, record vs. teams in decending order (i.e. #1 seed, #2 seed, #3 seed)

Point would be 2-0 against the #3 seed Platteville, while Whitewater was only 1-1 vs. Platteville, hence, Point getting the #1 seed.

Maybe I'm reading into that wrong.  I'm no expert.

I believe your are correct. If Osh wins they will be 12-4 --STP wins PLT will be 11-5 ---OSH will be the 3 seed. WW 1-1 vrs OSH and STP 0-2. IF it plays out this way WW will be the #1 seed and STP #2.

[Greek Tragedy]

I believe your are correct. If Osh wins they will be 12-4 --STP wins PLT will be 11-5 ---OSH will be the 3 seed. WW 1-1 vrs OSH and STP 0-2. IF it plays out this way WW will be the #1 seed and STP #2.

Your situation you mention is totally different with Osh, at 12-4, being ahead of PL at 11-5.  There is no debate there.  We are discussing if Osh AND PL are 11-5...

[Greek Tragedy]

I'm just going with how its been done in the past.  It's done that way in case you had a situation like this:

Blue Team: 14-2  (2-0 vs. Yellow, 1-1 vs. Green)
Red Team: 14-2  (1-1 vs. Yellow, 2-0 vs. Green)
Yellow Team: 11-5  (1-1 vs. Red, 0-2 vs. Blue)
Green Team: 11-5  (0-2 vs. Red, 1-1 vs. Blue)

Assume that Blue and Red split their two games, as did Yellow and Green.

So, which pair do we break first?  We can't break Blue/Red until we know how Yellow/Green comes out, but we can't break Yellow/Green until we know how Blue/Red goes.

We can't arbitrarily choose which tie to break first, because the results change depending on the order they are done.  Therefore, we compare them as a group.

I'll take your word for it...I guess I misunderstood how things work.  You definitely make some strong points on where you start with the tie-breakers, from the top or bottom or individually or what!

Here's on for you.

2004-2005 standings

Tourney seeds were:

PL (13-3) #1
SP (13-3) #2
OSH (11-5) #3
WW (8-8) #4
ST (8-8) #5
EC (6-10) #6
SUP (5-11) #7
RF (4-12) #8

[mythicalbird]

Pioneer Hoops Fan-

Why did Langenfeld only play a handful of minutes on Wednesday?  Is he hurt, playing poorly???  I need him for the fantasy championship on Saturday!

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

Pioneer Hoops Fan-

Why did Langenfeld only play a handful of minutes on Wednesday?  Is he hurt, playing poorly???  I need him for the fantasy championship on Saturday!

I showed up late to the game Wednesday, and really didn't think too much of it until the start of the second half when he didn't start.  He's been playing fairly well as of late, other than TO's, so my guess is that he was under the weather for the game.  I can't see Coach Combs not playing him for any other reason, this late in the season.

If I hear anything else, I'll let you know.

[mythicalbird]

Thank you.  Much appreciated!

[Greek Tragedy]

The Whitewater men's game and the Oshkosh men's game are at 3 pm.  The Point v Platteville game is at 5 pm.  It'd be great if someone sent me a PM or an email by tomorrow late morning with a phone number that I can reach them at so I know at the Platteville double-header who has won and who has lost!  Any takers? 

Respond to that and I'll even give you MY number and you can call or text me a HT score of each game and final of each game.  I'll be in Platteville around 3 pm to watch the women play first.

Get me some help!

[BDshotblocker]

Off to Oshkosh,  looking forward to seeing SupTown in action and a very good Oshy team

[Mr. Downtown]

Despite leading by 8 at halftime, Oshkosh loses by 10 to Superior at Kolf today.

Cause of the win, we have a rematch on Monday Night. If I'm Superior, I would just stay in Oshkosh over the weekend. I hear the EAA is a cool place to see, but not sure if they are opened on Sunday's.

[phoenix_rising]

Re: Superior staying in Oshkosh for the weekend.

They'd have to pass the hat to collect lodging fees. UWS is too busy sending the men's hockey team all over America to have time or money to give to other sports. Buchanan is working hard to establish a booster club just so they have some pocket change for trips. Although, after last night's match against Eau Claire, it doesn't look like the hockey team will be needing any extra cash soon. Maybe they could cough up some support.

I couldn't listen to the second half of the UWO-UWS game; sounds like that's just what the team needed to give it a kick start. I guess I shouldn't listen more often.

[Mr. Downtown]

We have one Conference Tournament game slated for Monday. These are the current seedings:


1 ??
8 ??

4  Oshkosh
5  Superior

3 ??
6 La Crosse

2 ??
7 Eau Claire

Whitewater holds off River Falls, so if Stout can win at Zorn tonight, they will enter the conference tourney. I don't think since I have been doing the updates almost every game night has Stout been in the conference tourney. Not a bad way to do it at the last minute. Eau Claire cannot improve their standing, and they will play the #2 seed.

Because of Whitewater's win, if Platteville takes down Stevens Point, the Warhawks will be #1, Platteville #2, and Point #3.

[voice]

Final score from Platteville (Mens)

Platteville 84, Stevens Point 65

UWW wins regular season title outright!

[Mr. Downtown]

Conference Tourney

1  Whitewater
8  Stout

4  Oshkosh
5  Superior

3  Stevens Point
6  La Crosse

2  Platteville
7  Eau Claire