MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[frodotwo]

Pointers beat Viterbo 73-52 after being up 46-17 at the half. V-hawks shoot 4-24 in the first half, but much better in the second as evidenced by the final score. Lots of offensive rebounds this game for the Pointers, but the are still missing an inside game. Jump shots aren't going to get it done in the WIAC on a consistent basis, especially on the road. I thought Point looked tired in the second half and thought with that big of a lead, there would've been more minutes for the subs. This may come back to haunt them later this week against Superior and especially Stout. Scary moment when Khalifa El Amin was knocked out of the game after a head to head collision. The home win streak continues.

[BanditUWSP]

Pointers beat Viterbo 73-52 after starting 14-18 from the field.  Brian Bauer will be a game by game decision because of his foot injury (plantar fascitis) which can be quite painful.  Big news for Pointer fans was the return of point guard Shawn Lee, who was cleared to play.  He saw limited minutes near the end but his return will help the Pointers as he is a true point guard.

[laxeagles1]

 Big news for Pointer fans was the return of point guard Shawn Lee, who was cleared to play.  He saw limited minutes near the end but his return will help the Pointers as he is a true point guard.

this kid has a ton of talent.  he might be one of a handful of guys that have the skills to play outside the wiac and in higher divisions.........circumstances mainly beyond his control led to his departure from central state of ohio a few years back and many who didn't see him in his 'high school days' certainly don't know the talent he is............If Semling lets him work his game from the playground warriors aau along with discipline sound ball(ala Rafer Alston of the NBA) he will really help the squad.........quick player, tons of talent, just has been unfortunate in some regards.

[Greek Tragedy]

The "addition" of Shawn Lee should help the team in many ways.  as posted before, he is a true point guard, while Hicklin is more of a shooting guard and El Amin is a combination of both.  When Lee comes in, Hicklin will be able to play more of the shooting guard.  Lee is quicker than Hicklin, so he should be able to defend those opposing guards that Hicklin had trouble with.  This will probably cut into El Amin's playing time, but even though Lee didn't play much last year, he still has a lot more experience than El Amin. 

I think it will take a week to get Lee back into "game shape", but Lee adds some experience and a new dimension to the Point offense. 

So, now that he didn't play first semester, does he just lose a semester of eligibility or does he technically use a whole year? 

Point has two tough games this week with a long trip up to Superior and then a huge game at Quandt vs. Stout.  Hopefully last night's game is a sign of things to come.  Though Point played a lesser opponent, it sounded like things went a little smoother in the departments that Point struggled in over the weekend.

[Just Bill]

OS,

If you play one second of one game in a season you use your season of eligibility.  Lee would not qualify for a medical redshirt because he has returned to action after the injury.

[Greek Tragedy]

Not sure if that first part is entirely true.  I know you can go out and break your leg in the 2nd game of the season and then get a medical redshirt...or something like that. 

Anyway, that 2nd part sounds right, coming back and playing, it sounds kind of dumb to have just one semester of eligibility! 

Regardless, it's nice to see Lee back in the fold.

[laxeagles1]

Not sure if that first part is entirely true.  I know you can go out and break your leg in the 2nd game of the season and then get a medical redshirt...or something like that. 

Anyway, that 2nd part sounds right, coming back and playing, it sounds kind of dumb to have just one semester of eligibility! 

Regardless, it's nice to see Lee back in the fold.

both of you are right.  Old School I think you are thinking back to the days of alando tucker and evan echsmeyer.  If you play one second of one game you use up your ability unless you can get your case heard by the NCAA and they give you a medical redshirt.  It's extremely rare and in most cases is shown as 'favoritism' to the big wigs of Div 1 basketball(i can think of tucker(i think) and I know Evan Echsymeyer and Brian Cardinal back in the day both had a clearance of a medical redshirt while playing in the season)

[badgerwarhawk]

From the NCAA....

Actually, most who use it are confusing it with other terminology. For the most part when someone says "medical redshirt," they are referring to a student-athlete who is seeking to gain an extra year of eligibility because he or she suffered an injury or illness that prevented him or her from competing.

The official term for that, though, is the "hardship waiver."



In Division I, a student-athlete can apply for a hardship waiver if a season-ending injury or illness occurs in the first half of the season. The student-athlete, however, must not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent (whichever is greater) of the institution's scheduled contests.

In Division II, a student-athlete can apply for a hardship waiver no matter when a season-ending injury or illness occurs provided that he/she hasn't participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the institution's scheduled contests.

The criteria is the same for the most part in Division III, except a student-athlete must not have participated in three contests or one-third of the institution's scheduled games.

There must be documentation from a physician and the institution's athletic training staff for the waiver to be approved.......


A DIII experience...

Nathan Wilder, the head athletic trainer at Division III Waynesburg College, manages more than 300 treatments and evaluations of injuries during football season alone.

"The injury surveillance system is used as the guideline for injury statistics," Wilder said. "Anybody who misses time for any reason, whether it's limited or missing a full practice, there has to be an injury report filed. There are kids who come in for treatment of muscle soreness and you put an ice pack on them. We still document that, even though it's not considered a time-loss injury. It's documented as they had pain, and we treated it."

Division III does not allow redshirting, but student-athletes may apply for a hardship waiver to gain an additional year if they meet the criteria. At any time within their four years, a student-athlete may elect to sit out a year of competition at their own behest.

"It's a stringent process," Wilder said. "We have a committee in the Presidents' Athletic Conference that makes those decisions based on documentation. They screen the whole process."

[Just Bill]

The first part is true.  The NCAA can restore that year of eligibility back to you as a medical redshirt, but as soon as you play you eligibility is used.  The medical redshirt process isn't done until the end of the season.

The rules for medical redshirt (or Hardship Waiver as it is officially known) eligility are:

(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate participation at any two-year or four-year collegiate institution; (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, for any athletics participation occurring on or after August 1, 2004)

(b) The injury or illness occurs before the completion of the first half of the traditional playing season in that sport [measured by the number of completed or scheduled (not exceeding the maximum limitations in each sport as set forth in Bylaw 17 as set prior to the
first scheduled contest or date of competition) contests or dates of competition and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of the traditional playing season]; and (Revised: 1/10/05, for any competition occurring on or after August 1, 2004, Revised: 8/4/05)

(c) The injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not competed in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or one-third (whichever number is greater) of the institution's completed or scheduled (not exceeding the maximum limitations in each sport as set forth in Bylaw 17 as set prior to the first scheduled contest or date of competition) contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only competition (excluding preseason scrimmages and exhibition contests but including scrimmages and exhibitions after the first regularly scheduled contest) against outside participants during the traditional playing season, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has competed and the number of completed or scheduled contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 1/10/05, for an competition occurring on or after August 1, 2004, Revised: 4/7/05, 8/4/05)

[Greek Tragedy]

Interesting stuff you guys, thanks!

So, any thoughts on games?  Come on people, the holiday season is over, no excuses! 

[stoutguy]

Interesting stuff you guys, thanks!

So, any thoughts on games?  Come on people, the holiday season is over, no excuses! 

Okay, Old School, because I am not going to see any games now after tonight for a couple weeks I will make this bold prediction regarding Stout/La Crosse:  The winner of this game tonight will either win the conference championship or be in the tournament championship game or both. 

[BDB]

For Stout to win against LAX tonight and at Point Saturday is an awful tall order.

If they do it, the Devils will look like the real deal.

It's like what they say about baseball doubleheaders, "they are hard to win and easy to lose."

[badgerwarhawk]

Okay, Old School, because I am not going to see any games now after tonight for a couple weeks I will make this bold prediction regarding Stout/La Crosse: The winner of this game tonight will either win the conference championship or be in the tournament championship game or both.

You are  bold to say that before your guys play the second half of the season Stoutguy.     

[stoutguy]

Okay, Old School, because I am not going to see any games now after tonight for a couple weeks I will make this bold prediction regarding Stout/La Crosse: The winner of this game tonight will either win the conference championship or be in the tournament championship game or both.

You are  bold to say that before your guys play the second half of the season Stoutguy.     

BW,
Yes, you make a good point and we all know that the 2nd half has been the problem for Stout in the past.  Remember, though, I am including La Crosse in this statement (the winner of tonight's game) and am saying conference champion or tournament championship game.  Plus, this Stout team does really impress me right now so that's why the somewhat bold statement.

[Greek Tragedy]

You are  bold to say that before your guys play the second half of the season Stoutguy.     

Let alone the 2nd quarter!  

For Stout to win against LAX tonight and at Point Saturday is an awful tall order.

If they do it, the Devils will look like the real deal.

Well, not quite sure what's up with this league yet.  How good is Oshkosh, how good is Platteville and how good is Point.  I think Stout and Whitewater are the real deal.

So, with that said, not sure if winning at La Crosse and at Point is an awfully tall order.  Point looked and sounded horrible down in Dubuque.  They definitely need Brian Bauer back in the lineup.  Will the return of Shawn Lee spark a run?  

La Crosse has yet to win at home in conference (losses to Whitewater and Point), while Oshkosh's double-dip this week at Platteville and yeah, even at Eau Claire will determine if they are a contender or pretender.  La Crosse did handle MIAC's best to offer in St. Thomas.  

Even if Stout splits their games this week, they are still in good shape.  Whitewater could distance themselves just a little with a sweep of Eau Claire and River Falls.

My unofficial quarter rankings!  

Stout
Whitewater

Stevens Point
La Crosse

Oshkosh
Platteville

Eau Claire
River Falls
Superior