MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

Wow, Point and Stout don't shoot a free throw in the second half.  Point just 8/13 in the first half, including missing their first 3 of the game before any other scoring... and that would have, AGAIN, won the game for them if they'd made those throws. 

And Point had at least about 15 turnovers, though at least 4 or 5 of those were travel calls in the first half.  There were 3 possessions in a row in the first half where they called a travel... and it wasn't.  I'm not just saying that, there was live video.


But, just the same, Point didn't rebound in a timely fashion and they didn't defend when they had to.  Hats off to Stout for putitng themselves in position to win this one.

[Barber Greene]

Man, that Tony Mane of Lacrosse is a scorer. Seems like he can get his shot off against anyone. He was pretty much the whole offense for Lacrosse tonight against UWW.

[bgbacker]

EC rallies from a 13-point deficit in the 2nd H and wins @ RF. Freshman Marcus Ruh starting to look like an impact player ... 20 pts, including some clutch baskets. Kudos to Koonkaew for gutting out 36 minutes for RF.

[bgbacker]

...amd yes, "Kudos to Koonkaew" might be a decent name for a rock band!

[Greek Tragedy]

Ouch.  17 turnovers, I believe, for Point.  They get to taste defeat for a week since they are off on Saturday.  Yuck!

[cubs]

cubs
I haven't talked to Jontae yet this week, but I'll let you know as soon as I do.

Thanks!!!  Gotta try and stay out of the cellar in the Fantasy League!!! 

This is not coming directly from Jontae, but word is he will not play.

Make sure you don't use that source for anything important!!! 

[cubs]

I went to the Platteville/Oshkosh game last night, so a couple observations I thought I would share....

1.  Curt Hanson sure seems to be a little "punk."  The guy trash-talks so much that it actually takes away from just how good of a plyer he is.  There were two seperate occasions last night where the officials had to tell him to "zip it."  I have to admit enjoying seeing Flanagan wipe him out while fighting through a screen in the second half.  What I enjoyed even more was Hanson getting up and "trying" (and I use that term loosely) to go after Flanangan.

2.  Outside of Flanagan, Schrimpf, and to a lesser extent Marsh, it looks as if the UWO players have no clue where the weight room is.  It really showed last night, as Platteville was the much stronger team, and they used it to their advantage.  Some of the UWO guys looked like pin-balls trying to fight through screens.

3.  Last night was as poor as I have seen UWO play on the defensive end in a few years.  Platteville got numerous open looks from both 3-point range and on cuts to the basket.  I really thought Platteville was going to put up 90 points last night, but things slowed down a bit towards the end.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

I went to the Platteville/Oshkosh game last night, so a couple observations I thought I would share....

1.  Curt Hanson sure seems to be a little "punk."  The guy trash-talks so much that it actually takes away from just how good of a plyer he is.  There were two seperate occasions last night where the officials had to tell him to "zip it."  I have to admit enjoying seeing Flanagan wipe him out while fighting through a screen in the second half.  What I enjoyed even more was Hanson getting up and "trying" (and I use that term loosely) to go after Flanangan.

2.  Outside of Flanagan, Schrimpf, and to a lesser extent Marsh, it looks as if the UWO players have no clue where the weight room is.  It really showed last night, as Platteville was the much stronger team, and they used it to their advantage.  Some of the UWO guys looked like pin-balls trying to fight through screens.

3.  Last night was as poor as I have seen UWO play on the defensive end in a few years.  Platteville got numerous open looks from both 3-point range and on cuts to the basket.  I really thought Platteville was going to put up 90 points last night, but things slowed down a bit towards the end.

I find #1 kinda comical.  I happen to think that Curt can cross the line a little bit and gets too emotional.  But with a comment like that, you make it sound like he is the only player in the league that talks trash.  Because I'm quite sure that he isn't.  If he's a "punk", then you surely must think that there is at least one at minimum "punk" on each team.  Especially over the years.  Melzer...punk because he talked a lot.  Was good player, but could've been great if he shut his mouth.  Nick Bennett....good player on a really good team.  He probably whined to the officials more than actually talked trash...take his All-American award away for crying too much.  Brad Reitzner...he flopped a lot.  Always questioned officials for not calling it.  I also thought he was a punk his junior year for constantly turning the ball over, but that is a another story on another day.  Kerry Gibson, and Twin Towers at Stout....Get that Sh...crap outta here!  Punks! (Actually can't wait to see those guys next weekend in Menasha.)

IMO, any player that is confident in his ability and plays hard is a punk.  I guess that pretty much is pointing the finger at just about every starting five in the league plus at least two guys on the bench.  I happen to like seeing guys get laid out on a good screen because thats basketball, and not so much because that guy is beating the hell out of my team.

I know you're entitled to your own opinion about what you saw and what you think about the game and people.  But I just think that if you call him a punk, which is the first time I remember you calling someone a punk, you should not hold back on another player.  Maybe stardards are different for Curt, but I also don't think he's the only good player in this league who talks smack and can get emotional during a game.

[stoutguy]

I went to the Platteville/Oshkosh game last night, so a couple observations I thought I would share....

1.  Curt Hanson sure seems to be a little "punk."  The guy trash-talks so much that it actually takes away from just how good of a plyer he is.  There were two seperate occasions last night where the officials had to tell him to "zip it."  I have to admit enjoying seeing Flanagan wipe him out while fighting through a screen in the second half.  What I enjoyed even more was Hanson getting up and "trying" (and I use that term loosely) to go after Flanangan.

2.  Outside of Flanagan, Schrimpf, and to a lesser extent Marsh, it looks as if the UWO players have no clue where the weight room is.  It really showed last night, as Platteville was the much stronger team, and they used it to their advantage.  Some of the UWO guys looked like pin-balls trying to fight through screens.

3.  Last night was as poor as I have seen UWO play on the defensive end in a few years.  Platteville got numerous open looks from both 3-point range and on cuts to the basket.  I really thought Platteville was going to put up 90 points last night, but things slowed down a bit towards the end.

I find #1 kinda comical.  I happen to think that Curt can cross the line a little bit and gets too emotional.  But with a comment like that, you make it sound like he is the only player in the league that talks trash.  Because I'm quite sure that he isn't.  If he's a "punk", then you surely must think that there is at least one at minimum "punk" on each team.  Especially over the years.  Melzer...punk because he talked a lot.  Was good player, but could've been great if he shut his mouth.  Nick Bennett....good player on a really good team.  He probably whined to the officials more than actually talked trash...take his All-American award away for crying too much.  Brad Reitzner...he flopped a lot.  Always questioned officials for not calling it.  I also thought he was a punk his junior year for constantly turning the ball over, but that is a another story on another day.  Kerry Gibson, and Twin Towers at Stout....Get that Sh...crap outta here!  Punks! (Actually can't wait to see those guys next weekend in Menasha.)

IMO, any player that is confident in his ability and plays hard is a punk.  I guess that pretty much is pointing the finger at just about every starting five in the league plus at least two guys on the bench.  I happen to like seeing guys get laid out on a good screen because thats basketball, and not so much because that guy is beating the hell out of my team.

I know you're entitled to your own opinion about what you saw and what you think about the game and people.  But I just think that if you call him a punk, which is the first time I remember you calling someone a punk, you should not hold back on another player.  Maybe stardards are different for Curt, but I also don't think he's the only good player in this league who talks smack and can get emotional during a game.

This is the best post I have read in a long time.  Couldn't agree more.  I think we all have our bias regarding "punks" in the league.  Some of us "Old School" guys long for the day when the "punk" behavior was not quite so prevalent.  By the way, greet those two "Punks" you are going to see in Menasha.  Tell them I really miss their "Punkishness"

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

This is the best post I have read in a long time.  Couldn't agree more.  I think we all have our bias regarding "punks" in the league.  Some of us "Old School" guys long for the day when the "punk" behavior was not quite so prevalent.  By the way, greet those two "Punks" you are going to see in Menasha.  Tell them I really miss their "Punkishness"

I've played in the St. John's Mens Tournament the past three years with some Edgewood College Alum, and the past two with Jacob.  This year Jacob recruited Kerry and John to play.  From my understanding though, John couldn't make it, but we will have two 7 footers taking up space on a small catholic school gym.  Will pass word that you say hello.

[badgerwarhawk]

Man, that Tony Mane of Lacrosse is a scorer. Seems like he can get his shot off against anyone. He was pretty much the whole offense for Lacrosse tonight against UWW.

BG it was nice to finally meet you last night.  Hope to see you again in the future. Perhaps you could join us at Saxes after another game.  The first one is on me.  

Mane was really on last night for LaCrosse.  He can pull up and shoot off the dribble as quickly as anyone I've seen this year.   Nolan Free was doing a good job defending  him but Mane was just so quick and his shot so dead on that he was nearly unstoppable.  Fortunately for the WARHAWKS nobody else was doing much for the Eagles.  Alex Edmunds did a good job controlling Stratton who had gone off on us a few times in the past.  He was held to 8 points, six of which came on two long three-pointers which were shot from a different zip code.  Edmunds also had an incredible dunk.  I don't know if it was as good as the Point player's earlier this year and I don't think it will show up on YouTube.com but it was pretty amazing.  He's a really an athletic player.  

WHITEWATER took the lead for good after about six and half minutes of the first half had been played.  LaCrosse kept it within single digits through out the first half and when the half ended the lead was only six points, 32-26.   WHITEWATER pushed the lead to double figures in the first two minutes of the second half and it stayed there with one exception, twice reaching 19 points, throughout the half.

Dustin Mitchell finished with a double-double 21 points, 11 rebounds.  Dupree Fletcher also scored in double figures with 12 points.  Nolan Free led the team with 3 assists and went 3-4 from the floor, all three-point attempts.  Free also pulled down 11 rebounds.  

Mane finished with 24 points but no other LaCrosse player was able to reach double figures.  Al Cherry pulled down 14 rebounds.  He's a really athletic player too but doesn't shoot from beyond about 10 feet.  

I also saw something that I can't recall ever seeing before at any level.  LaCrosse was called for a 10 second backcourt violation when their player was unguarded.  We've all seen them called when the defense is applying pressure but in this instance they simply took too long to walk the ball into the front court.  It took a second to realize what the call was and I thought it couldn't be right but the shot clock showed 11 seconds had elapsed in the possession.  It was really weird.

I didn't notice any punks in the gym though there were some mouthy spectators. 

[cubs]

IMO, any player that is confident in his ability and plays hard is a punk.

This is the only comment in your whole reply that I disagree with....  The description you gave is what I would call a "warrior" for lack of a better term.

Anyway, I didn't realize that by my using the word "punk" in a post that it would become such commonplace around here....  I apologize!!  Maybe I should have said he was acting like a "jerk?"

I am not trying to imply that Curt is the only guy in the WIAC that talks trash.  I am not that naive.....  It just so happened that it was pretty blatant last night, to the point where it was hard to miss unless you weren't paying attention to the game.  For the official to make a point of it, I thought was interesting, as you see it more at the D1 level, and it was my understanding that this official has done quite a few D1 games this season, including the Ohio St./Butler contest.

I guess I would put myself in the "old-school" category as well.  I was one of those guys that thought winning the game was enough, and I didn't have to trash-talk while doing it.  I understand that there is a lot that gets said on a court that we as spectators don't hear.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

IMO, any player that is confident in his ability and plays hard is a punk.

This is the only comment in your whole reply that I disagree with....  The description you gave is what I would call a "warrior" for lack of a better term.

I was just being sarcastic with that comment.  Probably a little punkish.  Just didn't put any of the          in there.  I agree with you.  I love it when guys are confident in what they do.  Also seeing it get multiplied when they are feeling it, as I'm sure Curt was in that zone last night based on his numbers.

Thing is, Curt is the same player now as he was as a freshman.  Only difference is you don't see last years senior class there to take the attention off of him or rope him in.  He's a fierce competitor to say the least, and personally I wouldn't want him to play any differently.  He can go a little overboard, but so can anyone.

Peter Juezenas (sp) I'm sure is the official that you're speaking of.  He does quite a few of Horizon games for sure, so I'm sure having done D1, he probably may be a little more willing to tell him to "Lighten up Francis" than a guy just breaking into the WIAC looking to make a name.  Side note, one of the other officials in that game last night Paul Szlec (again sp?) is the official that booted Jeff Skemp out of the gym when Eau Claire played at UWP this year.

It is D3, and the basketball is being played at its purest form.  That being for the love of the game.  Its a game and these guys play with the same fire as the big boys, so I personally like seeing some fire.  I don't like it though when its excessive.  I think when I was a Freshman, I was in the far corner and Vince Thomas hit a shot.  Time out was called and as he was falling away and shot went in, started high stepping like he was going into the endzone like Deion Sanders, right in front of our bench.  Unfortunately for me, I was opposite  their bench and hes bigger than me, so there was nothing I could do about it.  We even lost the game, so that made it hurt more.  Curt or anyone else for that matter isn't even close to being on the same Jerk level Vince Thomas was.

[phoenix_rising]

Curt or anyone else for that matter isn't even close to being on the same Jerk level Vince Thomas was.

Some coaches might give him a run for his money

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

Curt or anyone else for that matter isn't even close to being on the same Jerk level Vince Thomas was.

Some coaches might give him a run for his money

Agreed on that, but my point was mainly for players.  Coaches could definitely fill a whole different conversation.