MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Just Bill]

Per Pabegg's calculations, the WIAC would get three teams in if the season ended today...

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Explain the Pool A, Pool B and Pool C thing to me ... I do not understand 

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=28

[Stout survivor]

Per Pabegg's calculations, the WIAC would get three teams in if the season ended today...

link

Explain the Pool A, Pool B and Pool C thing to me ... I do not understand 

Whats to explain, in pool C the WIAC will always find a way to get screwed Ask Oshgosh about it

[Greek Tragedy]

What year(s) did they get screwed?

[wcbsas]

Per Pabegg's calculations, the WIAC would get three teams in if the season ended today...

link

Explain the Pool A, Pool B and Pool C thing to me ... I do not understand 

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=28

"... and 4 teams who are not in those 37 conferences (Pool B)." 

And that means ...?

[Greek Tragedy]

independents....

And once all four Pool B teams are selected, those teams "not in the 37 conferences" get moved to Pool C, with the rest of them.

Also, "not in those 37 conferences" could mean teams that are in conferences that are in the "transition" stages or conferences that don't have a minimum number of teams to qualify for an automatic bid.

For example, the Northern Illinois and Iowa Conference combined with the Lake Michigan Conference several years ago.  They had to go through a grace period of two or three years as a newly formed conference, the Nothern Athletics Conference, before they were eligible for a Pool A, automatic bid.  Thus, Aurora, had been chosen as a Pool B team for a couple of years.

Also, I believe the minimum for a conference to get an automatic bid is SEVEN teams.

[Greek Tragedy]

Over in the Pool C board (this site is a wealth of information!)...

Pool A (Automatic qualifiers) is up to 38, while Pool B qualifiers are down to three.

I believe the aforementioned Northern Athletics Conference qualifies for a Pool A bid now, moving from Pool B to Pool A.

The newly formed LANDMARK conference has a grace period before qualifying for Pool A...thus, those teams are in Pool B and if none are taken in Pool B after that is filled, they all move to Pool C (at-large).

Also, the Great South Athletic Conference only has four teams in it, so they are all Pool B eligible, then Pool C.

All independents are Pool B eligible, then Pool C once Pool B is filled.

Once mid-February comes along, head over to those multi-regional pages and posters like me try to fill in the holes and possibilities when conference tourneys roll around, NCAA Regional Rankings come out and fun stuff like that!

[cubs]

What year(s) did they get screwed?

I'm guessing he was talking about 2007 when they went 21-6 (12-4 WIAC) but happened to lose to La Crosse three times.  If they had beat them even once, they probably would have gotten in.

[Greek Tragedy]

True...I was thinking that year as well.

The rumor around the campfire is that they couldn't put La Crosse in with the record they had and they couldn't put Oshkosh in because they lost to La Crosse three times, and of course, they couldn't put both in...so neither went.  And even if they had that same 21-6 record, with a loss to another WIAC team instead, they probably would've gotten in!

I don't want to criticize the results of Oshkosh in those years, but with the talent they had in Gibson, Cappelle and Jahnke, it surprises me they didn't get better results.

I guess you can kind of compare them to the 3-headed monster of Marsh, Matt Miller and DSA this year.

[titan2000]

True...I was thinking that year as well.

I don't want to criticize the results of Oshkosh in those years, but with the talent they had in Gibson, Cappelle and Jahnke, it surprises me they didn't get better results.

I guess you can kind of compare them to the 3-headed monster of Marsh, Matt Miller and DSA this year.

Amen, brother on 2007.   I just must not have been to the right D3 gyms where you have 2 scorers and a 7"1" guy. I expected a national title that year. But I have high expectations. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Stevens Point 7-0 
Platteville 6-1 
Whitewater 6-1 
Oshkosh 4-4 
Eau Claire 3-4 
Superior 2-5 
La Crosse 2-5 
River Falls 2-5 
Stout 0-7

Wed 1/21/09
UW-La Crosse  @ UW-River Falls   
UW-Stevens Point  @ UW-Eau Claire   
UW-Superior @ UW-Stout   
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville

[Mr. Ypsi]

True...I was thinking that year as well.

The rumor around the campfire is that they couldn't put La Crosse in with the record they had and they couldn't put Oshkosh in because they lost to La Crosse three times, and of course, they couldn't put both in...so neither went.  And even if they had that same 21-6 record, with a loss to another WIAC team instead, they probably would've gotten in!

I don't want to criticize the results of Oshkosh in those years, but with the talent they had in Gibson, Cappelle and Jahnke, it surprises me they didn't get better results.

I guess you can kind of compare them to the 3-headed monster of Marsh, Matt Miller and DSA this year.

Just to stir the pot 8):

Last year IWU was not selected because of a too-poor record.  They beat Wheaton three times.  Wheaton was selected as a pool C (and justified the selection by making the Elite Eight).

[For the record, I think 'skosh got hosed, but I can understand the reasoning - except in light of Wheaton last year.]

[Greek Tragedy]

Back on page 74 in the Pool C board, I have listed the tourney teams, Pool A, Pool B and Pool C.

Oshkosh was ranked 4th in the West Region, with Stevens Point and St. Thomas getting Pool As and St. John's getting the lone Pool C bid in the West Region.  Oshkosh was left at the alter.  Occidental, Whitworth and Loras, all ranked behind Oshkosh, got Pool A bids.

Looking at the other regions, the South Region got FOUR Pool C bids and the Northeast Region got FIVE Pool C bids.  Looking the records only, all of those teams seem to have similar or better records.  Obviously, other things going into who's chosen and who's not in addition to regional records.

I guess Wheaton has less teams to go up against with similar records and credentials than Oshkosh did.  Strangely with La Crosse, they were in the final regional rankings, unlike IWU.  They were ranked 8th in the West Region at 17-7 regional record.  IWU was 16-11.  Of course, this worked against Oshkosh because their record against "regionally ranked opponents" included their 3 losses to La Crosse, while Wheaton's 3 losses to IWU didn't "count"...

[Mr. Ypsi]

Back on page 74 in the Pool C board, I have listed the tourney teams, Pool A, Pool B and Pool C.

Oshkosh was ranked 4th in the West Region, with Stevens Point and St. Thomas getting Pool As and St. John's getting the lone Pool C bid in the West Region.  Oshkosh was left at the alter.  Occidental, Whitworth and Loras, all ranked behind Oshkosh, got Pool A bids.

Looking at the other regions, the South Region got FOUR Pool C bids and the Northeast Region got FIVE Pool C bids.  Looking the records only, all of those teams seem to have similar or better records.  Obviously, other things going into who's chosen and who's not in addition to regional records.

I guess Wheaton has less teams to go up against with similar records and credentials than Oshkosh did.  Strangely with La Crosse, they were in the final regional rankings, unlike IWU.  They were ranked 8th in the West Region at 17-7 regional record.  IWU was 16-11.  Of course, this worked against Oshkosh because their record against "regionally ranked opponents" included their 3 losses to La Crosse, while Wheaton's 3 losses to IWU didn't "count"...

Excellent point that I forgot to consider.  +k

[sac]

Back on page 74 in the Pool C board, I have listed the tourney teams, Pool A, Pool B and Pool C.

Oshkosh was ranked 4th in the West Region, with Stevens Point and St. Thomas getting Pool As and St. John's getting the lone Pool C bid in the West Region.  Oshkosh was left at the alter.  Occidental, Whitworth and Loras, all ranked behind Oshkosh, got Pool A bids.

Looking at the other regions, the South Region got FOUR Pool C bids and the Northeast Region got FIVE Pool C bids.  Looking the records only, all of those teams seem to have similar or better records.  Obviously, other things going into who's chosen and who's not in addition to regional records.

I guess Wheaton has less teams to go up against with similar records and credentials than Oshkosh did.  Strangely with La Crosse, they were in the final regional rankings, unlike IWU.  They were ranked 8th in the West Region at 17-7 regional record.  IWU was 16-11.  Of course, this worked against Oshkosh because their record against "regionally ranked opponents" included their 3 losses to La Crosse, while Wheaton's 3 losses to IWU didn't "count"...

Another reason 'once ranked always ranked' should be considered in the criteria.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmm, I don't know about that. Someone that loses six games in the last three weeks still should be counted as a ranked team? Not in my book.

I could see considering a team that was ranked in either of the last two polls as ranked, but not anyone in all four polls. There's too much of the season left when that first one comes out to do that.