MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Hmm, I don't know about that. Someone that loses six games in the last three weeks still should be counted as a ranked team? Not in my book.

I could see considering a team that was ranked in either of the last two polls as ranked, but not anyone in all four polls. There's too much of the season left when that first one comes out to do that.

In the context of the discussion, one might think IWU lost 6 games in the last 3 weeks.  For the record, IWU finished a disappointing season with a 6-3 run.

[Pat Coleman]

Ypsi, only someone with rabbit ears would think that I was referring to IWU. Not every post refers to IWU.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi, only someone with rabbit ears would think that I was referring to IWU. Not every post refers to IWU.

Since the immediate past discussion was Oshkosh losing 3x to LaX vs. Wheaton losing 3x to IWU, I don't think my interjection was a sign of 'rabbit ears'.  I've (mostly ) recovered from my IWU-centricity; think you can move on from cabonney, 2005, to Mr. Ypsi, 2009?

[Pat Coleman]

BDA,

If it is any comfort, the old order CAN be overthrown.  IWU has nearly as many titles in the CCIW as the next three teams combined.  The last three years, they've been kicking sand in our faces (not that I've totally abandoned hope [hope, not Hope ] for this year).  Even in 2006 when we had perhaps the best team in IWU history (2 first team AAs, plus a junior who was first team AA the next year), we STILL didn't win the title.

Hope and Calvin have dominated for a long time, but nothing is forever.  Keep on kickin' (and find a way for Young to get another 4 years of eligibility ).

On the other hand, IWU WILL dominate again - if you ever get by Hope and Calvin, watch out for resuscitations!

I doubt the MIAA board or the WIAC board has the same opinion of your "recovery" ...

[Mr. Ypsi]

Play fair, Pat - I said 'mostly' recovered!

And I admitted that they'd been 'kicking sand in our faces'.

That post was intended to give hope to Adrian, Albion, Alma, Kalamazoo, Olivet, and Trine; was I expected to add that once you oust the former royalty, they will willingly stay peons forever?

If you had selected different quotations, I have stated that the WIAC is usually the top conference (though the CCIW may have topped them recently) and that the top of the MIAA (read Hope and Calvin, occasionally Albion) usually may be better than the top of the CCIW.  What more am I expected to say?

[janesvilleflash]

NOTHING

[John Gleich]

NOTHING

+1!

In light of the discussion about criterion for selection, I have to wonder if they've got it backwards...  Essentially what the selection process states is that losses against unranked opponents don't hurt you as much as losses against ranked opponents (the rankings, of course, that I speak of are regional rankings). 

... Now, I know that this is just one criteria... but it would seem that losses to regionally ranked opponents would be *better* losses than losses to non-ranked opponents.  It seems that looking at a school that went 0-3 against a ranked opponent didn't do as poorly as a team that went 0-3 against a non-ranked opponent...  The ranked opponent is ranked!  They're having a good year... they're a good team!

If in the "record vs. regionally ranked opponents" category one team is 2-2 and another team is 2-5, is the second team worse, especially if their overall records are the same? 

[Greek Tragedy]

2009 NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Championship Handbook states there are 39 automatic qualifying conferences (page 14).  There are 3 Pool Bs and 18 Pool Cs for a total of 60 teams.

[Pat Coleman]

... Now, I know that this is just one criteria... but it would seem that losses to regionally ranked opponents would be *better* losses than losses to non-ranked opponents.  It seems that looking at a school that went 0-3 against a ranked opponent didn't do as poorly as a team that went 0-3 against a non-ranked opponent...  The ranked opponent is ranked!  They're having a good year... they're a good team!

If in the "record vs. regionally ranked opponents" category one team is 2-2 and another team is 2-5, is the second team worse, especially if their overall records are the same? 

You're not looking at this the same way the committee does. This is not "record vs. regionally ranked opponents" but "results vs. regionally ranked opponents." In fact, it may well be better to be 0-2 against regionally ranked opponents than to be 0-0. But it's not just wins and losses, but all sorts of things that can be taken into account there. Was the game competitive? Where was it played? And sure, who won? But that's not all that's looked at.

[titan2000]

Ypsi, only someone with rabbit ears would think that I was referring to IWU. Not every post refers to IWU.

Every post does refer to either IWU or North Park, however.  The Roop told me that.

[phoenix_rising]

Old news...

Stevens Point 104, Superior 60
Rortvedt finally off the schnide! 7-11 from 3.
Dwight Hill only played 16 minutes, no fouls.  Re-injury?

Unless he hurt something running into the wall of players in the lane a couple of times, I don't think injury was an issue. For the record: a couple of usual bench people played some outstanding minutes in a laugher, start to finish. And, to add insult to injury, the hockey team took a pasting Saturday night, as well. Not a good weekend for most of the 'Jackets. Women's hockey went .500 at Lake Forest. The highlight of the three-day weekend.

[titan2000]

Old news...

Stevens Point 104, Superior 60
Rortvedt finally off the schnide! 7-11 from 3.
Dwight Hill only played 16 minutes, no fouls.  Re-injury?

Unless he hurt something running into the wall of players in the lane a couple of times, I don't think injury was an issue. For the record: a couple of usual bench people played some outstanding minutes in a laugher, start to finish. And, to add insult to injury, the hockey team took a pasting Saturday night, as well. Not a good weekend for most of the 'Jackets. Women's hockey went .500 at Lake Forest. The highlight of the three-day weekend.

Do they still have classes up there? 

[Greek Tragedy]

Primary Criteria:

Win-loss % against regional opponents
Strength of Schedule
-OWP
-OOWP
In-region head to head competition
In region results vs common regional opponents
In region results vs regionally ranked teams
-time of rankings/selection process only

Was the game competitive?

Uh??  The NCAA looks at scores?  I thought it was all about numbers (results, not if a team lost by 5 or 30)

[chmarx]

When you guys finish explaining/discussing the pool system, how about figuring out how to make spaceships go faster than light? 

[John Gleich]

When you guys finish explaining/discussing the pool system, how about figuring out how to make spaceships go faster than light? 

Yes, but the space ship has to only have a few regional losses...