MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

Cubs,

Where's your buddy Mr. Downtown?  He move to greener pastures?  I liked his WIAC tourney rankings and his input...

My buddy? 

To be honest, I have never even met the guy and wouldn't have a clue who he was even if he walked right by me.

[wcbsas]

Stevens Point should be embarrassed losing to this team

Carroll shot 58% from the floor against Point.  Last night they shot 44%.
Are you sure it was the same team?   

Obviously it wasn't the same team but I've seen Point play and they are not a poor defensive team ... to let Carroll shoot 58% against you is probably a pretty good indication of a poor defensive effort.

Ladwig, who went off against UWSP, was 4-17 shooting last night ... and he wasn't taking good shots either.  Plus he had 4 TO's per te box score and thats with the hometown discount because it should've been double that!  By comparison he was 10-18 against UWSP. 

[titan2000]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

[Gregory Sager]

Sadly, I missed the game.  I was taking the Jeopardy online test.  

You, too? How many do you think you got right?

Welcome to Nerdville.  Population: 2.

Home of the World's Largest Pocket Protector^TM, which sits right in the heart of the town square. We fill it up with giant pens every August during the town's annual Poindexter Days.

[cubs]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

For as much as you bag on TVD, you'd think he would have been fired a LONG time ago. 

I guess averaging over 17 wins a season just isn't good enough anymore.  Heck, the guy has had a winning record in 16 of his 18 seasons (last losing season was 1995) while the Head Coach at UWO.

The more I read your posts relating to UWO, the more you come across as a guy who sat the bench for TVD and still feels the need to get a jab in whenever possible.

[stoutguy]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

I don't think the quotes were all that funny either.  Yours, Titan, though, were pretty cute.  I don't like a coach calling out his team in the paper with a quote like "That's why we have to recruit better players".  That is an unfair shot at his players and an admission that he is failing as a recruiter.  Our Ed Andrist got some criticism recently because he said something like "we just are not good enough to compete with the upper teams."  Some people around here didn't like that either, but in this case, like Ted said, "It is what it is".  It is a tough call for a coach to mix defending your team and recruiting and being honest with where you are at.  Sometimes how you say it, and whom you say it to is very important.

[John Gleich]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

I don't think the quotes were all that funny either.  Yours, Titan, though, were pretty cute.  I don't like a coach calling out his team in the paper with a quote like "That's why we have to recruit better players".  That is an unfair shot at his players and an admission that he is failing as a recruiter.  Our Ed Andrist got some criticism recently because he said something like "we just are not good enough to compete with the upper teams."  Some people around here didn't like that either, but in this case, like Ted said, "It is what it is".  It is a tough call for a coach to mix defending your team and recruiting and being honest with where you are at.  Sometimes how you say it, and whom you say it to is very important.

I thought they were humorous in an "I can't believe he said that in the paper" sort of way too.  Doesn't sound like he has too much faith in his team.  If I was a young guy on that team, the writing isn't just on the wall, it's in the PAPER that he's going to be looking elsewhere for his talent. 

These statements are completely different than saying that they're not getting production from guys other than the "big 3."  These aren't motivational statements, these are dejected statements... statements throwing in the towel.  "We're just not good enough" won't win games against the conference's big three... and with an attitude like that, it won't win too many games against the other 4 teams, either.

[chmarx]

Sadly, I missed the game.  I was taking the Jeopardy online test.  

You, too? How many do you think you got right?

I thought I got about 40 out of 50.  Of course, I have no idea what numbers they are looking for.

I'll let you guys all know if I get called for an audition.   

[Greek Tragedy]

Cubs,

Where's your buddy Mr. Downtown?  He move to greener pastures?  I liked his WIAC tourney rankings and his input...

My buddy? 

To be honest, I have never even met the guy and wouldn't have a clue who he was even if he walked right by me.

Figured both of you are Titan fans and since there are only about 500 of you that show up to the games, I thought everyone knew everyone! lol 

Heck, I know all the Pointer posters...not. 

[Gregory Sager]

Sadly, I missed the game.  I was taking the Jeopardy online test.  

You, too? How many do you think you got right?

I thought I got about 40 out of 50.  Of course, I have no idea what numbers they are looking for.

I'll let you guys all know if I get called for an audition.   

A friend of mine who has been on the show told me that the scuttlebutt is that the cutoff point is around 30 or so. She thinks that she scored about 40 out of 50, too, when she took the test, so you're probably in good shape.

[stoutguy]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

I don't think the quotes were all that funny either.  Yours, Titan, though, were pretty cute.  I don't like a coach calling out his team in the paper with a quote like "That's why we have to recruit better players".  That is an unfair shot at his players and an admission that he is failing as a recruiter.  Our Ed Andrist got some criticism recently because he said something like "we just are not good enough to compete with the upper teams."  Some people around here didn't like that either, but in this case, like Ted said, "It is what it is".  It is a tough call for a coach to mix defending your team and recruiting and being honest with where you are at.  Sometimes how you say it, and whom you say it to is very important.

I thought they were humorous in an "I can't believe he said that in the paper" sort of way too.  Doesn't sound like he has too much faith in his team.  If I was a young guy on that team, the writing isn't just on the wall, it's in the PAPER that he's going to be looking elsewhere for his talent. 

These statements are completely different than saying that they're not getting production from guys other than the "big 3."  These aren't motivational statements, these are dejected statements... statements throwing in the towel.  "We're just not good enough" won't win games against the conference's big three... and with an attitude like that, it won't win too many games against the other 4 teams, either.

I plan on having Bob Burnell (WOSH radio personality) on the show Sat. morning and I plan to ask him about TVD's quotes that are either funny or not.  We'll also talk to Bob Semling and Pat Miller who have not had anything too bad to say about their teams lately so the show should have a pretty good WIAC men's flavor the last hour.  Tune in WMEQ.com and click on "Listen Live"  The show is on from 8-10 Saturday morning.

[titan2000]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

For as much as you bag on TVD, you'd think he would have been fired a LONG time ago. 

I guess averaging over 17 wins a season just isn't good enough anymore.  Heck, the guy has had a winning record in 16 of his 18 seasons (last losing season was 1995) while the Head Coach at UWO.

The more I read your posts relating to UWO, the more you come across as a guy who sat the bench for TVD and still feels the need to get a jab in whenever possible.

Cubs:

I didn't play for Ted.  Or fished with him either.

No offense but I just don't see why Oshkosh isn't in the top echelon of the NCAA every year like Point, Platteville, Whotewater, etc.   Good facilities, 10,000 students, modest admission standards, and they have gotten the players over the years.  They just haven't converted.  And 500 fans is a travesty.  I am one of them about half the time so don't tell me I am just a lurker on these boards.   I've just found the basketball in the MWC a lot more entertaining.   

As for Oshkosh hoops, this is all I'll say now or in the future on the topic-- until they win a conference title they are a bust in my book.  But the newspaper articles are a treat. 

[wcbsas]

TVD's quotes in the local paper after the Platteville "game" are pretty good.

love the quotes in the article, esp. about how Plt 'got up in our grill' and calling Skemp a 'big ox'! 

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090129/OSH02/90128207

TVD comments are funny, to a point.  Then he says he needs to recruit guys to get back where they were.  When the hell were they ever anywhere, really, except for the one year Dvorak carried the whole team inclusing TVD on his back into the tourney?  

I'd say go fishing and let someone else get it done if its too tough for you.  

I don't think the quotes were all that funny either.  Yours, Titan, though, were pretty cute.  I don't like a coach calling out his team in the paper with a quote like "That's why we have to recruit better players".  That is an unfair shot at his players and an admission that he is failing as a recruiter.  Our Ed Andrist got some criticism recently because he said something like "we just are not good enough to compete with the upper teams."  Some people around here didn't like that either, but in this case, like Ted said, "It is what it is".  It is a tough call for a coach to mix defending your team and recruiting and being honest with where you are at.  Sometimes how you say it, and whom you say it to is very important.

I thought they were humorous in an "I can't believe he said that in the paper" sort of way too.  Doesn't sound like he has too much faith in his team.  If I was a young guy on that team, the writing isn't just on the wall, it's in the PAPER that he's going to be looking elsewhere for his talent. 

These statements are completely different than saying that they're not getting production from guys other than the "big 3."  These aren't motivational statements, these are dejected statements... statements throwing in the towel.  "We're just not good enough" won't win games against the conference's big three... and with an attitude like that, it won't win too many games against the other 4 teams, either.

I was at the UWSP-UWO game last weekend and I came away less than impressed with TVD.

One could argue that UWO has the two best players in the conference in Marsh and DS-A yet they're a mid-level WIAC team.

UWO had a halftime lead and was right with UWSP midway through the second half.  UWSP went on a bit of a run and TVD did nothing to stop it.  He should have called a couple of TOs but just let the run continue.  His substitution patterns are questionable.

Even moreso you have to question what is happening off the court.  Why would Bryce Welch leave UWO to transfer to D2 Winona State to be a bench-warmer?  Why would Dan Tillema transfer to UWO (from D2 UM-Duluth) and then not play basketball at all?  Why do most teams have 15+ players sitting on their bench but UWO suits up only 11?  These are but a few examples of something that is amiss.

Lastly ... the issue at UWO THIS year is not a talent issue.  Between Marsh, DS-A and Miller they have three very seasoned established players.  Their bench may not compare to UWSP or UWW talent-wise but it isn't too shabby either.

[OshDude]

I appreciate the UWO coaches' honesty. TVD, Lechnir, Cerroni, Schumacher ... they don't sugarcoat it. Like TVD said in the paper after the last game, "It is what it is." Why make it out to be anything different?

TVD went on record during preseason saying UWP, UWSP and UWW would make the WIAC the strongest it's been in years. That appears to be true. And when Schrimpf went down, he conceded that UWO's ceiling was probably 4th. That's definitely true. If a 19-year HC, especially a known straight-shooter, says his team isn't playing well, what's the harm if it's the truth? If anything I think that's refreshing.

At the end of the day a forthright coach gave an honest assessment about a team struggling to reach its ceiling. I think DJ, DSA, Matty and the rest are mentally strong enough to handle that kind of tough love.

[stcroix]

I didn't think TVD's comments were a bit humorous.  Sounds to me he is packing in the year...."It is what it is" comment makes me ask the question; Can the same comment be applied to his coaching?  How about we need to recruit better players?  Who's fault is that?  How about retaining the players you have on campus?  TVD has a long history here, I know.  However, has he run out his string?  A good coach, IMO, doesn't make comments like that.  How can the players think anything other than they can't compete.  This is the WIAC..."expect the unexpected" is the mantra in this conference and each team has a reason to BELIEVE night in and night out and the coach should promote that.

There is more to this story, I have to believe.  I came here wanting to ask the same question about Tillema and his change of heart.  He could have really helped this team as he can play as a big guard or a forward. Would have really balanced this team.