MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

What game were you watching, Badger?    j/k

[hooper25]

...oh, and maybe the biggest play of the game may have been the controversy with the clock with 7.5 seconds remain, just after Marsh scored to put the Titans in the lead.  The warhawks took the ball downcourt immediately after the shot and were beyond mid-court according the the radio broadcast, with the ball in McKay's hands, with WW with the superior numbers in the frontcourt and the Oshkosh defense not set, when the official stopped the action.  After a short delay, it was determined the game clock operator failed to start the clock.  WW was forced to inbound the ball in the backcourt sideout, with 6.5 seconds or so put on the clock.  After a timeout, WW was able to get the ball to Chris Vines under the basket, but his shot, like so many on this night, wouldn't fall and the Titans prevailed.  The question to be asked following this one is why the clock operator didn't start the clock after the Marsh made basket with 7.5 remaining? Was there a malfunction? At this time, it's a mystery, but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.  Congrats to the Titans for the win.

Just to play the devil's advocate.....  I'm sure if WW had gone down and scored, there would be some Titan faithful bringing up the fact that the officials ignored UWO's request for a timeout after the Marsh game-winner.

Its funny you say that, youre probably right, but at the same time, how fast did WW get the ball in bounds? I mean they were already beyond half court...

and yes Miller went through and shook every persons hand, Im pretty sure he did say something to the scorer's table...I absolutely would have. The way the worker reacted was outrageous...(for the worker) A. do your job, do your job right... and B. If youre going to fail that bad, get a new job.

And yes, I as referring to the workers daughter, I did get slapped by her.

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

I agee lets watch great basketball and let the players athleticism determine the outcome of the game. What I saw last night was the worst Ive ever seen and was out of the players hands...

As far as officiating in general...

I feel as if no official who does WIAC games should be able to do both high school and college at the same time...its a completely different game, expecialy in the WIAC. Also, refs who attended colleges in the WIAC should also not be allowed to officiate the games today in the WIAC...and they for sure hopefully should have played basketball at the college level so they understand what truly goes on in the game today...

[janesvilleflash]

I don't have anything to argue about, just a comment about officials needing to play at the college level to be good. Some of the best I've seen never played at any level. They just like the game and make it a point to know the rules and techniques of the job, and worked their way up the ladder.

[hooper25]

I don't have anything to argue about, just a comment about officials needing to play at the college level to be good. Some of the best I've seen never played at any level. They just like the game and make it a point to know the rules and techniques of the job, and worked their way up the ladder.

Im not saying they are not good if they have not played basketball...just saying they definitely get a better understanding of the game and definitely learn from expeience....no doubt about it.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

Settle down Francis...it was meant to be a joke.

Very observant though, I am a licensed official for the WIAA.

[cubs]

According to the radio guy, it was Chris Vines who handed the ball to the official following the three player scrum on the floor. 

That can be a bit deceiving though, since once the whistle blows, SOME guys have a tendency to just let go of the ball while in a pile.  There isn't any benefit to continue to fight for the ball once play has been stopped.

[hooper25]

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

Settle down Francis...it was meant to be a joke.

Very observant though, I am a licensed official for the WIAA.

I know, I didnt mean any harm.

I wish you would have used your free entry to observe the game.

The way to become licensed as an official in WI is a complete joke in itself...literally anyone can become licensed. I dont know if thats how it is in all states, but in WI...joke.

[cubs]

As someone who was at the game, I'm 100% certain that Miller went through the Oshkosh line and shook hands with all of the Titans.  The incident that occurred with the timekeeper took place as Miller was walking back to the Whitewater bench and off the floor.   My guess is that Miller said something to the timekeeper and the timekeeper responded.  By the time I could get up to the Scorers Table to listen in, the timekeeper challenged Miller to come across to the other side of the table and then took an open hand swipe at Miller.  No contact was made.  The scorekeeper was then being restrained and told to calm down by his two daughters, while Miller then exited the floor.   I've never-ever seen anyone act like the TimeKeeper at a basketball game before.  No excuse for that. 

Again ,the clock issue was not the lone reason why the Warhawks lost on Wednesday night.   They put themselves in a bad position.  But the TimeKeepers mistake certainly had an effect on the game.    

Thanks for the input.  It would be unlike Pat not to shake hands after the game.  Even one that we've lost and had a messed up finish. 

As a timer myself I'd be lying to say I've never made a mistake nor been taken to task by a coach.  It's not an easy job and in the heat of the game you have to work really hard to stay focused.  However I've never felt the urge to challenge one nor take a swipe at them.  All I can say about that is that it's highly unprofessional (regardless of what the coach said) and if you're that defensive you should probably find something else that doesn't involve working the table to do. 

I haven't meant to imply that I blame the loss on the timing error.  As I've already said, we had our chances and didn't do it.  That falls on us. 

Well said, BW.  And I would add, that when I ranted about officials this morning, that could include all game officials (on the court and off).  It just seems to me that coaches in the conference are constantly being called out for their decisions and sometimes their behavior and often it is their reactions to other people not acting in the best interests of the game.  Let's make sure that timekeeper gets called upon to explain himself, and not just Coach Miller.

As a former WIAC clock operator for nearly six years, and current HS clock operator I agree with BW as far as making an occasional mistake.  The hardest part is not to get caught up "watching" the game like a fan normally does.

I guess they just don't hire them like they used to!!!!

[badgerwarhawk]

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

Settle down Francis...it was meant to be a joke.

Very observant though, I am a licensed official for the WIAA.

I am also a WIAA licensed official and I've always said that if the WIAA mandates three official crews  the third official should be placed in the bleachers about 5-6 rows behind the scorer's table because that seems like the spot from which everything that happens can be clearly observed.   

[cubs]

What seems to have been lost in the whole clock situation of the Whitewater/Oshkosh game is the play of DJ Marsh, both on the offensive side of the ball, and probably more importantly defensively.  

He not only led the Titans with 22 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block, but he for all intensive purposes shut down the popular choice on here for the WIAC POY Myles Mc Kay.  He "held" him to 11 points, which is nearly 9 points under his season average, and kept him from attempting a free throw on the night.  (Mc Kay entered the game averaging just over 5 FT attempts per game.)

While UWO's record will probably prevent him from being the POY, he should be a "lock" as a unanimous 1st Team selection.  He has a chance to lead the WIAC in scoring and rebounding, and also finish in the Top 5 in assists and steals.

[Just Bill]

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

Settle down Francis...it was meant to be a joke.

Very observant though, I am a licensed official for the WIAA.

I can't let a great movie like Stripes got misquoted:

"Lighten up, Francis!"

[titan2000]

What seems to have been lost in the whole clock situation of the Whitewater/Oshkosh game is the play of DJ Marsh, both on the offensive side of the ball, and probably more importantly defensively.  

He not only led the Titans with 22 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block, but he for all intensive purposes shut down the popular choice on here for the WIAC POY Myles Mc Kay.  He "held" him to 11 points, which is nearly 9 points under his season average, and kept him from attempting a free throw on the night.  (Mc Kay entered the game averaging just over 5 FT attempts per game.)

While UWO's record will probably prevent him from being the POY, he should be a "lock" as a unanimous 1st Team selection.  He has a chance to lead the WIAC in scoring and rebounding, and also finish in the Top 5 in assists and steals.

TVD always warns DJ to be careful and not get too many steals or they will throw him in jail. 

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

As far as the officiating, its dumb to listen to people say blah blah blah lets pull names out of a hat...grow up. (wouldnt be surprised if that was an official)

Settle down Francis...it was meant to be a joke.

Very observant though, I am a licensed official for the WIAA.

I can't let a great movie like Stripes got misquoted:

"Lighten up, Francis!"

Got me, good call!  It didn't sound right, but I went with it anyway.

Hooper25:

I agree that it is very easy to become licensed in WI, but to get the games you need to make contact with AD's.  If they don't like the way you officiate either they don't send you contracts or you only get JR High games.  Its up to the conference commish to get you Varsity conference games.  The only way to move up the ranks though is by attending clinics, evaluation by coaches and AD's, and good test scores.  When I was in high school, UWP used to have a large 48 team tourney in the summer.  Also running at the same time was an official's camp (I think Keliher ran it) where experience officials would pair with newer officials during games and at timeouts, halftime, or end of games they were being instructed by "camp councelors" on their mechanics and such.  Many of the guys/gals that do WIAA tournament games have earned the right to do so by their experience and evaluation process.  It would be the same for getting to the WIAC.  I'm sure the conference commish probably has a copy of the film on his desk now, or it will be there tomorrow for review.  I'm also guessing that the official that is considered the main culprit in this fiasco will probably get a few negative comments on his review, if they think he screwed up, meaning less of a chance of doing a WIAC tourney game.  That's only speculative though.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

I am also a WIAA licensed official and I've always said that if the WIAA mandates three official crews  the third official should be placed in the bleachers about 5-6 rows behind the scorer's table because that seems like the spot from which everything that happens can be clearly observed.   

I was doing a 7th & 8th grade rec. league about a month back, and Platteville High School's boys JV coach was my partner for the last three games.  His comment to me before we started was "Well we'll have to see how this goes.  I know I've never missed a call from the bench."  We had a good laugh about it, but I also think he came away with a little different perspective.

Ok I'm done now.

Cubs:

I think that Marsh is as complete of a player in this league as anyone, and I also think that he will be, or should anyway, a unanimous selection first team.

[Greek Tragedy]

If both WW and Platteville win on Saturday, Platteville will get the #2 seed in next week's WIAC tournament due to its road win at Stevens Point.  It would give the Pioneers a win of someone higher in the standings than them.

Actually, they could play Stout on the road and still get the #2 seed.  The reason isn't because they beat someone higher than them in the standings, it's because they'd have one less road loss than Whitewater.  The first tie breaker is head to head, then records against teams ahead of them...which they would be both 1-1 vs. Point.  Then I believe it's road record...that's where Platteville wins the tie breaker with Whitewater.  Yeah, they would be beating someone higher than them in the standings, but that's just an added bonus.

Too bad I missed all the goings-on in Oshkosh.  I nearly went to that game.