MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

Don't blame the shot clock operator.  With .6 of second remaining the shot clock isn't even turned on.  The mistake was made by the timer, specifically me.  After handing the ball to be inbounded the official moved onto the floor and blocked my line of vision so I couldn't see Mitchell catch the ball and started the clock late.  Fortunately he missed.  Had he made the shot I was prepared to own up to my mistake and advise the offical.  I do my best to operate the clock fairly and accurately but I'm human and sometimes I screw up.  Obviously this wasn't one of my better moments.   Like I said, I just glad he missed the shot and it didn't impact the outcome of the game.

BW, 

Not being able to see was also a frequent complaint by the Point radio guys and I recall having a hard time seeing down to the other end (the corner down by WW's bench) from Point's bench when playing.  I don't know why...  though the scorer's table is much longer than any other in the WIAC that I can think of.  At Point, just the necessary officials, and everyone else is across the way on the extended... media table?  I know the radio guys etc are behind at Platteville and La Crosse.

I didn't mean to make it sound like it was the official's problem or fault.  I was responsible for the error.  He wasn't in my way until after the inbounds pass was made so I couldn't blow the horn and ask him to move over.  If he had been in my way initially I would have changed my position slightly so that I could see.  The pass came in, he moved simotaneously and I couldn't see Mitchell catch it.  He was doing exactly what he was suppose to do. 

Again, I want to be perfectly clear.  This wasn't any fault of the offical.  It was just one of those things.  People are moving around on the floor and every once and a while your vision gets blocked.  Generally it isn't at such a critical juncture but it happens. 

I have a lot of respect for all three of the officals that worked our game.  They are good officials and very professional.  I apologize to them if I made it sound like they did something wrong.  That wasn't my intention nor the case at all.  This one is on me.

I commend you for your honesty.  I have a procedural question in terms of running the clock.  Would the clock operator start the clock when it touches the player or when the official drops their hand to start the clock?  I haven't ever read the rule book but instances where I've run the clock (lower lever high school games, league games at camps with officials, etc), but I've always gone when the official drops their hand, and in this instance, it seem to me to be necessary to watch the official, not the player themselves.

[Greek Tragedy]

Serious question ... do you think that a lack of a post player could be a reason for their relative lack of post season success?

Ruths did indeed kill us, going for 19 and 10.  But, Nading (guard) went for 21, while the other players did pretty good too.  I also seem to remember that Point had it's worst shooting night of the year.  They couldn't hit the broad side of a barn going for 8 of 36 from 3-pt. land.  While going up against Ruths contributed to our early exit that year, there was a lot more to that loss.  Washington U. was a the beginning of a near-dynasty here as well. 

The following year Point lost to Buena Vista in the 2nd round.  Disappointing, definitely.  But, BV was hardly a pushover.  They beat highly ranked and host St. Thomas the previous night and then after beating us, lost to eventual champion Washington U. in overtime.

Last year we lost to #1 ranked and unbeaten St. Thomas in the 2nd round by 3 points.

I apologize for the lack of post season success.

I think Point has done a good job, despite a lack of a true big man.  We compensate that with a solid group of shooters. 

The last few years, while Point "suffices" with Beamish and Co., the league has had some pretty good post players from Dane Seckar-Anderson to Skemp to Beyer.  We won the league last year against those players, and were 2nd the year before that.

In 2006-2007, with the post players in Beamish and Jon Krull, Point went 15-1 against the likes of Werner, Nonemacher and Gibson.  So, it's not like Point didn't run into any big men prior to going up against Ruths.  It takes more than a big man in the middle to win, just ask Stout and Oshkosh.  While it's convenient to blame Point's lack of success in the post season or their recent loss to Whitewater because we had no answer to Mitchell, there's a lot more to it.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice to have a big-man in the middle.  But, I'm the last person to question Semling's recruiting tactics or wishes. 

[John Gleich]

Serious question ... do you think that a lack of a post player could be a reason for their relative lack of post season success?

Ruths did indeed kill us, going for 19 and 10.  But, Nading (guard) went for 21, while the other players did pretty good too.  I also seem to remember that Point had it's worst shooting night of the year.  They couldn't hit the broad side of a barn going for 8 of 36 from 3-pt. land.  While going up against Ruths contributed to our early exit that year, there was a lot more to that loss.  Washington U. was a the beginning of a near-dynasty here as well. 

The following year Point lost to Buena Vista in the 2nd round.  Disappointing, definitely.  But, BV was hardly a pushover.  They beat highly ranked and host St. Thomas the previous night and then after beating us, lost to eventual champion Washington U. in overtime.

Last year we lost to #1 ranked and unbeaten St. Thomas in the 2nd round by 3 points.

I apologize for the lack of post season success.

I think Point has done a good job, despite a lack of a true big man.  We compensate that with a solid group of shooters. 

The last few years, while Point "suffices" with Beamish and Co., the league has had some pretty good post players from Dane Seckar-Anderson to Skemp to Beyer.  We won the league last year against those players, and were 2nd the year before that.

In 2006-2007, with the post players in Beamish and Jon Krull, Point went 15-1 against the likes of Werner, Nonemacher and Gibson.  So, it's not like Point didn't run into any big men prior to going up against Ruths.  It takes more than a big man in the middle to win, just ask Stout and Oshkosh.  While it's convenient to blame Point's lack of success in the post season or their recent loss to Whitewater because we had no answer to Mitchell, there's a lot more to it.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice to have a big-man in the middle.  But, I'm the last person to question Semling's recruiting tactics or wishes. 

The biggest thing in the BV loss was not having Rortvedt.  He got hurt in the conf championship at Whitewater and wasn't there for the first or second round games.

From Coach Sem's post game interview, he said that Scott Hoelzel didn't have a very good start defensively.  Something was surely up... for a guy who was 1 rebound short of averaging a double double and who game in with 3 straight, he ended up with 1 rebound and no points in 24 minutes.  I don't recall even hearing his name in the radio broadcast.

In terms of the big guys... I think Point has the personnel inside to be able to compete, even in NCAA games.  Smaller point teams were able to handle the inside threats of Elmhurst and Platteville last year and Stout when they had the twin towers.  And Point has more, bigger inside guys this year.  They may not have the girth like a guy like Ruchs did last year at Elmhurst, but, honestly, it isn't the sole responsibility of an individual to shut down a good inside player.

I watched the Stout/WW game online last Saturday, and Stout used pressure on the guards to prevent the ball from even going into the post.  Enerson-Matthews was all over the WW guards, and when the WW posts DID get the ball, they had to come out of the post to get it (may have been pushed out of position by Stout's big guys).  I know with Point's gap defense, this can sometimes lead to there not being as much pressure on the ball (because that can put pressure on the defense when the guy drives), but this is the key to beating Whitewater, I'm firmly confident.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

Again it didn't matter, because the shot wasn't made, but here is my thought on the earlier situation on the WW/SP game and Badgerwarhawk's admission.  If the official blocks the view of the timer, the administering official should've had an open hand up and "chopped" at the touch of a legal player to start the clock.  Was he or she visible?  This obviously could've been difficult as well, but that is why the officials do that so they can help the official timer.  Sort of late joining any discussion, and I appologize for that and even bringing it up again.

[frodotwo]

Serious question ... do you think that a lack of a post player could be a reason for their relative lack of post season success?

Ruths did indeed kill us, going for 19 and 10.  But, Nading (guard) went for 21, while the other players did pretty good too.  I also seem to remember that Point had it's worst shooting night of the year.  They couldn't hit the broad side of a barn going for 8 of 36 from 3-pt. land.  While going up against Ruths contributed to our early exit that year, there was a lot more to that loss.  Washington U. was a the beginning of a near-dynasty here as well. 

The following year Point lost to Buena Vista in the 2nd round.  Disappointing, definitely.  But, BV was hardly a pushover.  They beat highly ranked and host St. Thomas the previous night and then after beating us, lost to eventual champion Washington U. in overtime.

Last year we lost to #1 ranked and unbeaten St. Thomas in the 2nd round by 3 points.

I apologize for the lack of post season success.

I think Point has done a good job, despite a lack of a true big man.  We compensate that with a solid group of shooters. 

The last few years, while Point "suffices" with Beamish and Co., the league has had some pretty good post players from Dane Seckar-Anderson to Skemp to Beyer.  We won the league last year against those players, and were 2nd the year before that.

In 2006-2007, with the post players in Beamish and Jon Krull, Point went 15-1 against the likes of Werner, Nonemacher and Gibson.  So, it's not like Point didn't run into any big men prior to going up against Ruths.  It takes more than a big man in the middle to win, just ask Stout and Oshkosh.  While it's convenient to blame Point's lack of success in the post season or their recent loss to Whitewater because we had no answer to Mitchell, there's a lot more to it.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice to have a big-man in the middle.  But, I'm the last person to question Semling's recruiting tactics or wishes. 

Not only did he get his points inside, but the help defense opened up the outside and cutting lanes for points, resulting in the guy that really killed us, Nikitas, scoring 17 in the second half.  Don't get me wrong, I think Point does a tremendous job defending big men inside, but the offense is where it hurts. Jon Krull could score against players 4 inches taller than him for the most part, but we have lacked that post up/back to the basket ability since he graduated. Beamish did OK, but his forte was the drive facing the basket. Point posts up certain players when they have the height/skill advantage, but it usually does not constantly result in a double team enabling a kick out to an open man.

[Gregory Sager]

I commend you for your honesty.  I have a procedural question in terms of running the clock.  Would the clock operator start the clock when it touches the player or when the official drops their hand to start the clock?  I haven't ever read the rule book but instances where I've run the clock (lower lever high school games, league games at camps with officials, etc), but I've always gone when the official drops their hand, and in this instance, it seem to me to be necessary to watch the official, not the player themselves.

The timer is supposed to go by the official's "chop" (downward sweep of the hand to indicate that the game is now live). However, officials don't always do a good job of making the gesture, let alone insisting upon it being the definitive moment to start the clock, so it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of timers go by their own eyesight with regard to a player touching the ball inbounds being the definitive moment, as BW did.

The referee who ran the crew in the women's game I booked today did the right thing: He came over to the table at a stoppage of play before the last minute began, reminded the timer that the clock stops after every made basket in the last minute of play, and told him not to start the clock again until he made the "chop" gesture. A good referee will always keep the table apprised of what is expected of them when the game is on the line.

[buf]

Point 81
Elmhurst73
FINAL

Hurd with 19pts
Tillema with 18, including 12-13 on FTs



UWL 84
UWP 70
FINAL

Stratton with 25pts


EC 83
Stout 71
FINAL

Probst with 24 pts and Fofana with 23pts

[fredfalcon]

RF 82, Osh 73. 29 for Marsh, 24 for Koonkaew. Guerin had double/double with 12 rbds., 15 pts.

[badgerwarhawk]

Behind Nolan Free's 17 points and Dustin Mitchell's 11 the WARHAWKS scored first, were tied once, and never trailed in the first half building leads as great as 16 points before the half ended with them up 52-38.  The lead grew to as many as 29 points in the second half before substitutes closed out the game with the WARHAWKS winning 92-73. 

Free led the team finishing with 19 points (5-7 three pointers).  Mitchell finsihsed with 18 points.  Phil Negri added 11 points and Alex Edmunds chipped in 13 points and led the team with 8 rebounds.  The WARHAWKS shot 59% from the floor for the game.  Negri and DJ Dantzler each had 5 assists. 

[bulk19]

As I noted on the women's board about how I harp about poor free throw shooting in close games, I duly note the Eagles' stellar shooting tonight against Platteville... (UWL 84-70, with free throws icing it for the Eagles...)

Overall, made 28 of 32, for 87.5 %, including the team's last 22 points, all from the stripe during the last 5:30 or so left in the game... Wow.

[Greek Tragedy]

Anyone at the Point game vs. Elmhurst probably saw one of the best dunks ever in school history (and maybe WIAC history!).  Dan Tillema's dunk on the Elmhurst player was one for the ages.  On the writeup on the Pointer's page, there is a picture of it as he's jumping in the air.  It doesn't do the dunk justice, but it was pretty awesome!

[badgerwarhawk]

Are you sure that it wasn't one of the best dunks in the history of college basketball, OS? 

[John Gleich]

Are you sure that it wasn't one of the best dunks in the history of college basketball, OS? 

College basketball?  How about basketball period.  Dr. Naismith is (from the grave) contemplating renaming the game Tillemaball.

[Greek Tragedy]

John,

Were you at the game?  I didn't see you there.  You're an alumni, talk to your people there and get a clip of that.  I know they video tape all the games.  Talk to your connections there!

Honestly, I normally don't talk about dunks.  But this one was pretty awesome.

[John Gleich]

John,

Were you at the game?  I didn't see you there.  You're an alumni, talk to your people there and get a clip of that.  I know they video tape all the games.  Talk to your connections there!

Honestly, I normally don't talk about dunks.  But this one was pretty awesome.

No, I wasn't.  I've gotta talk to Sem and see if I can get ahold of it.  I was hoping that they might put it up on Point's YouTube channel, but there hasn't been anything yet.